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swamper8

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I know this sounds ridiculous, but I'm having a hard time finding the BlackJack rules for Foxwoods. I have googled and yahoo'd and found some posts about them, but a few contradict each other and I don't want the wrong ones. I'd like to plug them in to the basic strategy engine on this site so I can start memorizing/working off of it with the trainer. If you're familiar with the Foxwoods rules, I'd appreciate a listing, I am not 100% with all the lingo yet, so I don't know all the short hand terms. (please spell out instead of using short hand)
I found some sites that say both 6 and 8 deck shoes, some only 8.
I found some sites that say stand on all 17's other say they have some tables that stand on 17, some hit. I figured it'd take 5 minutes to nail the rules down and I've been looking for over an hour.

Thank you
 
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sabre

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High Limit room is 6 Decks. All other games 8 decks.

All are Stand on Soft 17 (S17)
Double after split allowed (DAS)
Late Surrender (LS)
no resplit aces (nRSA)
 
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swamper8

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sabre said:
High Limit room is 6 Decks. All other games 8 decks.

All are Stand on Soft 17 (S17)
Double after split allowed (DAS)
Late Surrender (LS)
no resplit aces (nRSA)
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Awesome thanks! The worst part is that the Wikipedia page for Foxwoods/Blackjack says they stand on all 17's! i didn't figure that was right......
So no 'resplit' on aces, does that mean if I get dealt two aces, I can split them once (into two piles) but no more? Where as any other card(s) I can split then split again as much as my heart desires? Also, if I split aces, is there a one card deal limit for each of the aces or can I hit more than once? I have read that some places only allow one hit per ace after a split.
thank you
 
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johndoe

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swamper8 said:
Awesome thanks! The worst part is that the Wikipedia page for Foxwoods/Blackjack says they stand on all 17's! i didn't figure that was right......
So no 'resplit' on aces, does that mean if I get dealt two aces, I can split them once (into two piles) but no more? Where as any other card(s) I can split then split again as much as my heart desires? Also, if I split aces, is there a one card deal limit for each of the aces or can I hit more than once? I have read that some places only allow one hit per ace after a split.
thank you
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Wikipedia is right, they stand on all 17's. The variation is to hit on "soft 17" (such as A-6), abbreviated H17, which is worse, and more common in vegas these days.

You're correct about the aces. Split once, and one card each (standard rule). Any other card you can split up to 3 times to make 4 hands (also a standard rule).
 
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swamper8

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oh shoot. Sorry to the person who responded first. You said stand on soft 17 which is basically the same as saying stand on all 17's I suppose. I guess I didn't read your post carefully enough. Don't know that there's anywhere where the dealer hits on a hard 17. Thanks for everyone's input. I plan on using the trainer/table generator that's available on this website. Does everyone else use this or have they found a better software/programs elsewhere?
 
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johndoe

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There's nowhere that a dealer hits on a hard 17. If you find one, PM me immediately! :)

The software here is good, but for even better software for analysis and practice, go to qfit.com .
 
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shiznites

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Goto bj21.com and pick up a copy of Current Blackjack Newsletter - its has all the stats and rules for every place in the country!

Swamper, when I first started I used the trainer on this website but not anymore. I like to do things the old fashioned way and practice manually with a shoe, discard tray, and 1 - 6 decks.
 
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palroot

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I know that this is not a game rule issue but might be worth noting if it is your first time at Foxwoods. They allow other players to place backline bets on your spot. You can of course politely (or otherwise) refuse to allow it if you wish. It took me by suprise the first time someone came up and did it to me. I was unfamiliar with that rule and thought the guy was reaching for my chips. I don't know how common that rule is at other places but people seem to do it ALOT at Foxwoods.
 
Automatic Monkey

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palroot said:
I know that this is not a game rule issue but might be worth noting if it is your first time at Foxwoods. They allow other players to place backline bets on your spot. You can of course politely (or otherwise) refuse to allow it if you wish. It took me by suprise the first time someone came up and did it to me. I was unfamiliar with that rule and thought the guy was reaching for my chips. I don't know how common that rule is at other places but people seem to do it ALOT at Foxwoods.
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Yes. Yes we do. :grin:
 
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shiznites

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palroot said:
I know that this is not a game rule issue but might be worth noting if it is your first time at Foxwoods. They allow other players to place backline bets on your spot. You can of course politely (or otherwise) refuse to allow it if you wish. It took me by suprise the first time someone came up and did it to me. I was unfamiliar with that rule and thought the guy was reaching for my chips. I don't know how common that rule is at other places but people seem to do it ALOT at Foxwoods.
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Someone did that to me yesterday and got pissed when I surrendered my 16 v X! Thats what they get for putting chips on my spot.. :devil:
 
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johndoe

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shiznites said:
Someone did that to me yesterday and got pissed when I surrendered my 16 v X! Thats what they get for putting chips on my spot.. :devil:
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That's weird, they don't have to surrender if they don't want to. There's no reason for them to get pissed.
 
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shiznites

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johndoe said:
That's weird, they don't have to surrender if they don't want to. There's no reason for them to get pissed.
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Someone f^cked up then cause I got half my money back and so did she..

I didn't know that I can turn them down so next time they do that I'm gonna tell them no.. for some reason it really bothers me when people do that. Everytime I do a move they don't like they get all pissy and have something obnoxious to say. If your gonna play, sit down use your own circle and deviate from BS all you want! Ugh, yesterday was the ploppy/tourist day from hell. The crap that came out these ppl's mouth's you wouldn't believe...
 
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toastblows

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Wow that is annoying. I kind of wish they had that here so jomamma wouldnt have to take a seat and complain to everyone about how i play.....as they are reaching into their purse for another $1000 and I'm up $400. Idiots.
 
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johndoe

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shiznites said:
Someone f^cked up then cause I got half my money back and so did she..
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You can both surrender, too, of course.

Like everything in a casino, you're better off thinking about how you might turn something to your advantage, rather than just complaining about it.
 
Automatic Monkey

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toastblows said:
Wow that is annoying. I kind of wish they had that here so jomamma wouldnt have to take a seat and complain to everyone about how i play.....as they are reaching into their purse for another $1000 and I'm up $400. Idiots.
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There's some enormous hostility at these tables, some of it thinly disguised racial hostility too. They see us playing big and often winning big, and they take it as a melodrama of how "the man" is screwing them to enrich himself, yet again.

One of the nastiest experiences was at a table full of Caribbeans who were howling every time I won and they lost. Every hand they lost was my fault, so they said, and I just smiled and stacked up my chips like a great big middle finger. Then one of them started shouting that those chips rightfully belonged to them, and that's a dangerous situation when street people start convincing themselves that what's yours is theirs. Fortunately my shift was over soon and I got out of there.
 
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Pelerus

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Automatic Monkey said:
Every hand they lost was my fault, so they said, and I just smiled and stacked up my chips like a great big middle finger.
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Did you make two smaller stacks on each side of the larger one? :grin:
 
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swamper8

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OK, i'm finally getting around to trying the trainer on here. I also tried to make a basic strategy table. Can someone tell me if Foxwoods:

1.) has insurance? (trainer asks for it)

2.) Is it double any two cards or only certain cards? (9/10 or 9/10/11) strategy engine asks this.

Thank you
 
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swamper8

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OK, has anyone had problems with the trainer on here not jiving with the strategy engine?
I did the following:

entered this in the basic strategy engine:
8 decks
dealer stands on S17
double any two cards
late surrender
dealer peeks

entered this in the trainer:
8 decks
dealer stands on soft 17
double any card
double after split ok
early surrender
never offer insurance

Trying to set myself up to play at foxwoods. the problem I've been having while playing is that probably 1 out of every 10-15 hands I keep plugging in what the chart says but the strategy trainer tells me I'm not following basic strategy. There seems to be ever so subtle differences between the chart and the trainer. Has anyone else had this problem? I did not record the hands which gave me problems, but I will do that as I play and list them.

I guess the only question i have (other than why this is happening) is what part of the chart do I follow when:

1.) Say I get a A-3. I follow the chart row for A-3. I hit and now I have a A-3-4, the program adds that as 8. Do I then go to the top of the chart and follow the row for 8? (even though I still have a ace in hand)

Thanks
 
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