Help-I think my brain farted-KO count

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so my pea sized brain has failed me again. I wriggled around in bed for 3 hours last night trying to figure out where my reasoning failed. I am working on the ko preferred count using the $40 software they sell on their site- called training camp

My IRC is adjusted to zero so my I start raising my bet at 16 and the ramp reaches its height at rc 24. All of my deviations occur at 24 except 16v10 which happens earlier at the key count. This is right? Lord help me if it isnt.

What Im confused with is this. If you count down a deck of cards the rc will be+4-right? So pretend you have 6 decks of brand new, unshuffled cards in a shoe. After you deal 4 decks out your running count would be 16. Now you increase your wager but there are only two brand new decks with all 52 cards in each- no advantage. If you dealt out 5 decks the rc would be 20 with 1 complete deck left. But you have a big bet out. Y is this?

So with 4 decks out shouldnt a rc of 16 mean an average advantage remains (tc=0) and with 5 decks out your advantage is 0% if rc =20 and yet your betting big at this stage even at rc=16.

One more thing - this software is confusing me. There is a section called playing strategy which shows BS for the rules you input. I put in 6 deck, das and the chart they generate says hit 44 v5,6 (no split) / stay on ace7 v 2 / hit 22 v3. Then I get an error when i hit my 44 v 5. I dont get an error when I hit my 22 v 3. Im supposed to split?

The chart is telling me to do the wrong things but still giving me errors when I do what they say. Why wouldnt the chart they generate be accurate?
Im so confused. Im supposed to split double and split on above mentioned scenerios right?

LOL- thx 4 help, I appreciate it.
 
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ScottH

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supercoolmancool said:
My best advice as far as undertanding the KO count and why it works is to just accept the billions of computer simulations as fact and forget about it.
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It's just like math. You could learn how to prove that 4 is even, but you don't need to, you just trust the people that already have done it.
 
ChefJJ

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Can't help you with the software glitch.

The best way I can explain the KO count is just like the others...the math has been done. If you read the book, it really helps you to understand the reasoning behind the method. You answered your own question about the betting in that at the -4 level (you've adjusted it to something else), you start to increase your bets, but the top end of the scale is +4, and that is where your max bet is at. Anything over the -4 begins an area of advantage for the player, so you gradually move your bets with the count between -4 and +4 (anything over +4 is max bet).

These numbers were for a 6-deck shoe and not adjusted your numbering...see, if I tried to adjust it I'd probably friggin screw myself up !!! :p

My best advice...take their word for it and roll with the literature, because the hard work was done and not completely shown.
 
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Thx 4 the replies- I will fully embrace the system even tho my brain is obviously a uselass sack of protoplasm.

another ? - the book gives advice about when 2 wong out of a bad shoe. I will be doing this . Do u think the % expectation the end up with takes this into account? It doesnt say its included but im not sure.

After counting through 4 decks im much better but find myself off by 1 usually 50%. Do u think this is disastrous? Is this count lenient or do u need 2 be perfect?

thx
 
ChefJJ

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I would agree with the last comment...I would just make sure that your deviation from the true count is never really more than 1 in all your practice sessions before you have a session. Being off by 1 shouldn't kill you, especially because the composition left in the shoe/deck after the cut card will probably make up for it.
 
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shadroch

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I'd agree,but most people have a tendency to let things slide.
If being off by one is acceptable,then being off by two isn't that bad,and being off by three is not terrible.
Strive for perfection. Don't settle for anything less in practice,or in the casinos you'll end up with a big bet out there at the wrong time.
 
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ScottH

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I Like Boobs said:
Thx 4 the replies- I will fully embrace the system even tho my brain is obviously a uselass sack of protoplasm.

another ? - the book gives advice about when 2 wong out of a bad shoe. I will be doing this . Do u think the % expectation the end up with takes this into account? It doesnt say its included but im not sure.

After counting through 4 decks im much better but find myself off by 1 usually 50%. Do u think this is disastrous? Is this count lenient or do u need 2 be perfect?

thx
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With a count as easy as KO, strive for 100% perfection. That's my opinion.
 
halcyon1234

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ScottH said:
It's just like math. You could learn how to prove that 4 is even, but you don't need to, you just trust the people that already have done it.
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An integer N is even if there exists another integer X where 2X = N. So N = 4. 4 is even because X can equal 2.

Now you can prove if a number is even.

(And an integer N is odd if there exists another integer X where 2X + 1 = N)

:D
 
supercoolmancool

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halcyon1234 said:
An integer N is even if there exists another integer X where 2X = N. So N = 4. 4 is even because X can equal 2.

Now you can prove if a number is even.

(And an integer N is odd if there exists another integer X where 2X + 1 = N)

:D
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Can you prove that the past is infinite?
 
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ScottH

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halcyon1234 said:
An integer N is even if there exists another integer X where 2X = N. So N = 4. 4 is even because X can equal 2.

Now you can prove if a number is even.

(And an integer N is odd if there exists another integer X where 2X + 1 = N)

:D
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Actually I already knew how to prove that a number is even or odd, but thanks! My point was that you can prove that 4 is even, and if I walk up to a 10 year old kid and ask him if 4 is even or odd, he will instantly tell you even. You are really no better off than that kid is because you can prove it and he cant. You both know the answer, and that's all that really matters.
 
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