I am leaving for Las Vegas next week and I have a question I hope someone could help me with. I have pracatised with the online Blackjack and am doing pretty well. My question, do people who know how to play have better outcomes when sitting at a full table or at talble with a couple of players. I am looking at the $25 min tables. I am thinking the $25 min tables will have higher skiller players.
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How many other players sitting at the table or their skill level, will not effect your playing outcome. Recreational players need to play the lowest limit tables. The slower play with a full table will give a newby more time to make play decisions, and will make his bankroll last longer. The 25.00 Min tables will have higher skilled and fewer players, but at a higher cost to your bankroll.
It is quite true what SystemsTrader stated. Skilled counters will look for the tables with the best advantage to sit at, or at least they should. Although its a plus to have less players at the table, its not what makes the decision to sit there or not. And sitting at a less crowded table is beneficial due to being able to play more hands and being more in control of the cards during the positive situations, not at all due the more quiet environment. Hey you could have 2 of the most loud obnoxious drunks sitting at the table with you, or 5 very quiet polite players. It makes no difference how many sit at the table as far as distractions go, if you can't count because of a loud environment, you need to practice more, because I've never been in a casino that has librarian type pit bosses shshing people to be quiet.
And as far as people being better players at higher limit tables, thats absolutely false. Those people playing higher limits only do so because they have more money from what they do outside the casino not in it. They all still make the same type of mistakes, actually sometimes worse. A lot of so called high rollers are under the impression that since they have a big bet up that entitles them to play different than what basic strategy suggests, and the bigger money will fix it all in the end. Last month I played in the same pit as Charles Barkely and watched him drop $600,000. His average bet was $35,000 and he was probably one of the biggest butchers of basic strategy I've ever seen. I believe he was lucky to only lose what he did. But the point is, all that money didn't make him a better player, just a bigger loser. Its just a shame a bankroll that big gets wasted on those who don't know how to use it.
And as far as people being better players at higher limit tables, thats absolutely false. Those people playing higher limits only do so because they have more money from what they do outside the casino not in it. They all still make the same type of mistakes, actually sometimes worse. A lot of so called high rollers are under the impression that since they have a big bet up that entitles them to play different than what basic strategy suggests, and the bigger money will fix it all in the end. Last month I played in the same pit as Charles Barkely and watched him drop $600,000. His average bet was $35,000 and he was probably one of the biggest butchers of basic strategy I've ever seen. I believe he was lucky to only lose what he did. But the point is, all that money didn't make him a better player, just a bigger loser. Its just a shame a bankroll that big gets wasted on those who don't know how to use it.
Bojack nailed it perfectly
Big bet = big bankroll, and that is it, it has nothing at all to do with knowledge of the game.
I have played with enough high rollers to see this very clearly, but to the amatuer player with a small bankroll, it seems quite logical to them that the guy betting big bucks would know what he is doing, and they are wrong.
As far as giving a guy like Barclay advice, I certainly would but only if he asks for it, and even then it would be no more than standard basic strategy. That is unless he wanted to get together outside the casino and could be my big player for a few sessions. If I ever write my book there will be the story of a couple of high rollers (less famous than Barclay) who were my big players for a few decent sessions. For them, it was more about being able to turn the tables than about the winning but after a couple of sessions each thought they now knew how to win and landed up quickly giving it all and more back.
ihate17
Big bet = big bankroll, and that is it, it has nothing at all to do with knowledge of the game.
I have played with enough high rollers to see this very clearly, but to the amatuer player with a small bankroll, it seems quite logical to them that the guy betting big bucks would know what he is doing, and they are wrong.
As far as giving a guy like Barclay advice, I certainly would but only if he asks for it, and even then it would be no more than standard basic strategy. That is unless he wanted to get together outside the casino and could be my big player for a few sessions. If I ever write my book there will be the story of a couple of high rollers (less famous than Barclay) who were my big players for a few decent sessions. For them, it was more about being able to turn the tables than about the winning but after a couple of sessions each thought they now knew how to win and landed up quickly giving it all and more back.
ihate17
Sometimes I refer to the higher limit tables as chicken tables. I've noticed there is a lot of players who chicken out when it comes to doubling down or splitting their hands when they are supposed to put more money out and they know it. A few common examples are doubling 11 v 10, splitting 8's v 10 or splitting 4's v 5,6.
Advice to a friend
A friend once asked me if he should join me at a black chip talbe (a non counter with a limited budget)
My advice was, though it does not happen often, are you willing to be $600 or possibly up to $800 on a hand. You know, split to 4 and get two or more doubles?
I think when you decide what limit to play and where your spread will be, this situation should enter your mind.
ihate17
A friend once asked me if he should join me at a black chip talbe (a non counter with a limited budget)
My advice was, though it does not happen often, are you willing to be $600 or possibly up to $800 on a hand. You know, split to 4 and get two or more doubles?
I think when you decide what limit to play and where your spread will be, this situation should enter your mind.
ihate17
In my somewhat limited experiance,I've found that if a casino offers $5,$10 and $25 tables,the strongest players are at the $10 table.I find just as many newbies at the $5 and $25 tables,but at the $10 tables,you find more decent players on smallish bankrolls than newbies,all things being equal.
Betting $20 off the bat,you can easily drop down to $10 and then play a 1-6 spread with zero attention at most places.Perhaps more,but thats about my limit.
Betting $20 off the bat,you can easily drop down to $10 and then play a 1-6 spread with zero attention at most places.Perhaps more,but thats about my limit.
I have seen all sorts. I havent seen any real pattern to how well someone plays in relation to there bet. You would think the more they are betting the better player they must be, but not true. I will see a lot of gamblaholic types doing STUPID plays thinking they have some feeling or some Bullshit like that. For example: dealer is showing a 6, ploppie has like a $50 bet out. His hand a,4. What does he do? He stays, not because he doesnt want to lose more money on the double down. He wants to "save" the bust card for the dealer. Asians are really bad, they do all kinds of crazy $hit thinking they are going to affect the outcome of the dealers hand. Its funny too how they will usually have some huge bet spread (10-100+). Based on absolutely nothing. Many times they will have a huge bet out when the count is very negative.
Probably the best BS players I've seen are at locals games in the Reno area. After that would be the Occidental players right here in CT, who tend to have a higher than average level of education and most have at least heard of "what the book says." Atlantic City has got to be the worst, full of YEPpies (young ethnic playboys) sullenly throwing their money around like fools. I've only played in Las Vegas 3 times, but I've met more counters in 3 days in LV than I have in 3 years in the east. Never met another counter in Reno (not surprising being it is all SD and we always look for empty tables when playing SD) and I've met a couple on random trips around the country.
But I agree that the lower stakes tables have better players.
But I agree that the lower stakes tables have better players.