House advantage on DD game

[JulieCA]

Casino #1: Pays 3:2 on blackjack. Only one split, no splitting aces, no doubling down after a split. They only burn 1 card and penetration is about 1/4 to 1/3 of one deck.

Casino #2: Pays #;2 on blackjack. Split up to 4 hands, split aces, double after split. They burn 1/3 of one deck plus one card and penetration is about 1/3 of one deck.

Which game has the best advantage for players?

 

[daddybo]

Casino #1: Pays 3:2 on blackjack. Only one split, no splitting aces, no doubling down after a split. They only burn 1 card and penetration is about 1/4 to 1/3 of one deck.

Casino #2: Pays #;2 on blackjack. Split up to 4 hands, split aces, double after split. They burn 1/3 of one deck plus one card and penetration is about 1/3 of one deck.

Which game has the best advantage for players?

There is no advantage to the players? Go find a good card game somewhere.

(#2 would be the best of the two.. given pen is really about the same.
but, neither is worth playing)

 

[JulieCA]

Thanks - that's kind of what I thought.

DD blackjack in Palm Springs area seems to have uniformly sucky rule variations.

 

[daddybo]

Thanks - that's kind of what I thought.

DD blackjack in Palm Springs area seems to have uniformly sucky rule variations.

do you really mean they only deal 1/3 of one deck? I have never seen that!

 

[ycming]

There is no advantage to the players? Go find a good card game somewhere.

(#2 would be the best of the two.. given pen is really about the same.
but, neither is worth playing)

How are the games not worth playing?

You know the actual figre to the HA for both games?

Thanks
Ming

 

[Jack_Black]

How are the games not worth playing?

You know the actual figre to the HA for both games?

Thanks
Ming

It is .63% for the first game and .40% HA for the second. These are estimates because she didn't give exact details on other aspects of the game. e.g. h17 or s17. But regardless, those minute rule changes have little significance in terms of changing the advantage for the player. The devastating rule here is that they only deal out 1/4 to 1/3 of a deck. Absolutely pathetic, don't even look at this game. Hopefully, she meant that they only deal out 1/4 deck, and not keep 1/4 deck out of play. If she meant the opposite, then by all means, this is THE GAME to play.

 

[daddybo]

How are the games not worth playing?

You know the actual figre to the HA for both games?

Thanks
Ming

Well... if they are only dealing 1/3 of a deck.. then that's 17% penetration. I didn't even bother to figure the house edge on the games. The first one has crappy rules.. probably around .35% to .55% house edge with no pen to overcome it. (depending on s17 or h17)

The second one has better rules... but still no pen to overcome the edge.
Probably .18% to .38% house edge.

Too many better games out there to fool with that crap.

That's assuming her information is interpreted correctly.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I'm pretty sure she is just stating the penetration numbers incorrectly. Number 2 sounds pretty decent. Number 1 has great pen but poor rules. I would say both are playable, not great.

 

[JulieCA]

OK, I didn't state penetration clearly.


Both are H17 games.

At Casino #1, after the burn and the cut, approximately 1-2/3 decks remain to be played to the cut card.

At Casino #2, after the burn and the cut, approximately 1-1/4 decks remain to be played to the cut card.

 

[creeping panther]

Julie

OK, I didn't state penetration clearly.


Both are H17 games.

At Casino #1, after the burn and the cut, approximately 1-2/3 decks remain to be played to the cut card.

At Casino #2, after the burn and the cut, approximately 1-1/4 decks remain to be played to the cut card.

Now there is a chicken sh*t casino!:vomit:

CP

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Cp

Now there is a chicken sh*t casino!:vomit:

CP

I would hardly call a casino chickenshit for dealing 1.67 decks in a 2 deck game.

 

[daddybo]

Now there is a chicken sh*t casino!:vomit:

CP

AMEN...Still crappy games. Although #2 is playable.... it ain't good.

 

[daddybo]

I would hardly call a casino chickenshit for dealing 1.67 decks in a 2 deck game.

I get 62% pen... 1.25 decks. The burns are unseen cards.

 

[FLASH1296]

If the penetration is "1/4 to 1/3" [of a 104 card DD pack] - that means that
if a few people are playing, there would only be two betting rounds between shuffles.

Surely you jest.

Only in California Indian Casinos could games this bad be offered to the public.

Normally a casino will offer good rules with bad pen' ~ or ~ bad rules with good pen'

But bad rules with bad pen' is larcenous.

EDITED: The above was posted before the original poster clarified what the depth of penetration was.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I get 62% pen... 1.25 decks. The burns are unseen cards.

I was talking about game 1

 

[JulieCA]

I would hardly call a casino chickenshit for dealing 1.67 decks in a 2 deck game.

But that's the casino that doesn't allow DAS and you can only split one time. One kind of cancels out the other, doesn't it?

 

[Jack_Black]

But that's the casino that doesn't allow DAS and you can only split one time. One kind of cancels out the other, doesn't it?

I still give more weight to the penetration. How often does the chance to DAS come up? Even smaller is the chance of doing a DAS play at a high count. but consistently playing down to 1/4 deck? well, that's every shuffle. Hopefully you meant that the dealers are instructed by the house to deal down to a 1/4 deck, and you didn't just find a few "good" dealers. but it's still a playable game. granted, I'm not jumping for joy, nor am I gonna book a flight out to play there.

And am I reading this right? you're saying game #2 burns 1/3deck+1 card and then you get to play? With a cut card leaving another 1/3 out of play?

 

[JulieCA]

<snip>Hopefully you meant that the dealers are instructed by the house to deal down to a 1/4 deck, and you didn't just find a few "good" dealers. but it's still a playable game. granted, I'm not jumping for joy, nor am I gonna book a flight out to play there.

I played there three times over the week and dealing down to approximately 1/4 deck was the same regardless of the dealer.

And am I reading this right? you're saying game #2 burns 1/3deck+1 card and then you get to play? With a cut card leaving another 1/3 out of play?

Yes, that's correct. I was surprised - I've never seen that before.

 

[QFIT]

Dealing down to 1/4 deck does not mean a penetration of 1.75 decks. Penetration is based on the position of the cut card. The dealer will nearly always deal past that point since shuffles do not occur in the middle of a round unless the dealer runs out of cards. I'm having difficulty believing that the cut card point is 1.67 decks into a DD game.

 

[FLASH1296]

1.67 decks

That is 17 cards remaining at the shuffle.

Mighty nice penetration.

In cases where I read of deep pen' on a DD game,
I suggest that the poster take a random sampling of three dealers,
preferably on all three shifts, and actually COUNT the cards being played.