How bad is the blackjack etiquette?

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phantom

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I was playing blackjack in Tunica last weekend and one guy got down to his last $5 chip. He bet it and got a 9 and 2. He held up his cards asking for another $5 chip to double down with but didn't say anything. This guy was clearly mad or depressed that he was losing. The lady next to him gave him the chip and he bet and won. He then just gave the lady her $5 chip back. She said that he owed her $10 because it was her money that won.

The guy refused to give her the other $5. The dealer agreed that he owed her the money and brought over the floor man. He said it was between those two people and didn't concern the casino.

We all thought is was pretty cheap and unclassy.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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phantom said:
I was playing blackjack in Tunica last weekend and one guy got down to his last $5 chip. He bet it and got a 9 and 2. He held up his cards asking for another $5 chip to double down with but didn't say anything. This guy was clearly mad or depressed that he was losing. The lady next to him gave him the chip and he bet and won. He then just gave the lady her $5 chip back. She said that he owed her $10 because it was her money that won.

The guy refused to give her the other $5. The dealer agreed that he owed her the money and brought over the floor man. He said it was between those two people and didn't concern the casino.

We all thought is was pretty cheap and unclassy.
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It was cheap, but this is a fairly common occurance. There are players that search out these scavenger play opportunities, but you need to make sure each side knows whether it is a loan or partnership. Usually the casino will not get involved, just as in this case. Quite frankly for the original player, if it is not a loan, there is no reason for him to make this offer. He has nothing to gain and actually is better off just hitting the hand as then he has the option to hit again, should he draw a 3.
 
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phantom

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kewljason said:
It was cheap, but this is a fairly common occurance. There are players that search out these scavenger play opportunities, but you need to make sure each side knows whether it is a loan or partnership. Usually the casino will not get involved, just as in this case. Quite frankly for the original player, if it is not a loan, there is no reason for him to make this offer. He has nothing to gain and actually is better off just hitting the hand as then he has the option to hit again, should he draw a 3.
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I forgot to mention the dealer's upcard was a 6 so he wasn't going to take but one card regardless.
 
Gamblor

Gamblor

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Most APs look for scavenger plays like this, where we double down or split on someone's hand when they run out of money. Was thinking about letting others scavenge their hands, and then pull an a-hole move like this? Its highly +EV but -Karma :grin:

Another example is lets say offer someone to help you split, so someone on your right puts his money down on your "right" split card. If your left hand wins and right hand loses, you can say "oh well your hand lost" and take all the money. If the left hand loses and right wins, you can split the winnings evenly.

Just sayin'.
 
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tthree

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I rarely get the opportunity to do these types of plays but wheen I do I hold my chips up to the dealer at eye level and say this is my bet. When it wins I scoop it up. I don't know if this helps your case but I have never had a problem.
 
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BJgenius007

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phantom said:
I was playing blackjack in Tunica last weekend and one guy got down to his last $5 chip. He bet it and got a 9 and 2. He held up his cards asking for another $5 chip to double down with but didn't say anything. This guy was clearly mad or depressed that he was losing. The lady next to him gave him the chip and he bet and won. He then just gave the lady her $5 chip back. She said that he owed her $10 because it was her money that won.

The guy refused to give her the other $5. The dealer agreed that he owed her the money and brought over the floor man. He said it was between those two people and didn't concern the casino.

We all thought is was pretty cheap and unclassy.
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I have given up scavenger play because even I specifically said I was going to play his second hand, I had problems to collect my winnings 50% of the times. People going to casinos are just not good people.
 
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NightStalker

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extremely common

phantom said:
I was playing blackjack in Tunica last weekend and one guy got down to his last $5 chip. He bet it and got a 9 and 2. He held up his cards asking for another $5 chip to double down with but didn't say anything. This guy was clearly mad or depressed that he was losing. The lady next to him gave him the chip and he bet and won. He then just gave the lady her $5 chip back. She said that he owed her $10 because it was her money that won.

The guy refused to give her the other $5. The dealer agreed that he owed her the money and brought over the floor man. He said it was between those two people and didn't concern the casino.

We all thought is was pretty cheap and unclassy.
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and happen all the time..
Once a plop betting 10$ on 250$ promotional matchplay.. I covered his extra 240$, and he returned me 480 on a winner.. Dealer also agrees with him saying it is his matchplay and he has 5-dollar toke for dealer. But later he realized his mistake and divided the extra 240...
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Gamblor said:
...lets say offer someone to help you split, so someone on your right puts his money down on your "right" split card. If your left hand wins and right hand loses, you can say "oh well your hand lost" and take all the money. If the left hand loses and right wins, you can split the winnings evenly.
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Thats pretty good. Only use it at the end of a session where not cultivating the partner interaction.

Most of the time I have had trouble is when I insured someone else's hand - not when I split or doubled on one. zg
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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tthree said:
I rarely get the opportunity to do these types of plays but wheen I do I hold my chips up to the dealer at eye level and say this is my bet.
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I leave the dealer out of it - too often they will discourage the act. zg
 
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NightStalker

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Two reasons:

Sharky said:
why would you divide the 240 at all? that was all your money.
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1) something is better than nothing.
2) In ideal case, I would prefer the divison. This is the ideal solution in my opinion. As he owns the match play..
 
Gamblor

Gamblor

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zengrifter said:
Thats pretty good. Only use it at the end of a session where not cultivating the partner interaction.
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Yep, don't won't to complicate things too much. Or pull it off against the a-hole ploppy bitchin' that you hit 12 v 2. Plenty of those. Or the moron who pointed out to the dealer that they overpayed me $100. Dammit the dealer and floor person already approved it :laugh:
 
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noblackjackhack

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The casino I frequent will not allow you to physically place your bets on someone elses hand, but giving the the chips to that player, and having them slide it up into the betting spot is completely acceptable. I assume this is so the casino can more easily stay out of any conflicts that arise....and so its more clear thats what the player actually wants...
 
Sharky

Sharky

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NightStalker said:
1) something is better than nothing.
2) In ideal case, I would prefer the divison. This is the ideal solution in my opinion. As he owns the match play..
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would he have been able to play it for less? either way, HE had the better +ev in that trans...shrewd ploppy :laugh:
 
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