How long do you think they would allow one to play

[psyduck]

I have been wondering how long our local casino would let one play at higher stakes. This is a small casino without any competition around. Tables in the high stake room are always watched closely by the floor people.

The game:

6 deck shoe
about 1.5 decks cut out
dealer hits S17
DAS allowed
split to four hands including aces (one card for each ace)
double on any initial two cards
late surrender
table limit $25-$500

The play:

Hi Lo, maybe Wonging out at TC <= -2

Betting ramp:

$25 to $250 or
$50 to $500

Question:

How long would the player last in this casino before getting barred?

 

[johndoe]

It all depends on how much they sweat the action, how good your act is, and how often you're playing. It's impossible to predict.

 

[FLASH1296]

It's impossible to predict as we cannot measure the paranoia of the Casino Manager.

In some casinos you would last just as long as it took for your bets to go UP and then to come DOWN.

In some others you could play for quite a long time.

The spread that you describe is not very aggressive, but it is beyond what most Pit Critters will accept. That figure tends to be about 8-1. Y M M V

IF this was a big joint with big profits you'd (generally) be safer than you would be in a place that has to sweat the action, because if you win a few thousand you might put the pit into the red for the shift.

 

[psyduck]

It all depends on how much they sweat the action, how good your act is, and how often you're playing. It's impossible to predict.

Let's say once a week about 3 hours, without any unusual act. I have a feeling it wouldn't last long, especially using a ramp of $50 to $500 (table max).

 

[nottooshabby]

Let's say once a week about 3 hours, without any unusual act. I have a feeling it wouldn't last long, especially using a ramp of $50 to $500 (table max).

Three hours on one shift? Or one hour on each shift? The latter may provide a bit more longevity.

 

[johndoe]

If you're spanning the whole range of the table limit, you'll undoubtedly get some attention. Develop an act and you'll extend your stay.

 

[FLASH1296]

Betting Table Max will almost always get you shown the door if you actually know how to play.

That Maximum is there for drunks, degenerates and all around losers. Not for you.

Did you think that it is an arbitrary amount ?

My rule of thumb is to decided early what FRACTION of the table maximum I will set as MY personal maximum

1/2 is aggressive, 1/4 is much safer.

Every casino manager issues guidelines to the Pit Bosses as to what betting level must be instantly reported to the Shift Manager.

Use your head and never underestimate your opponent.

 

[psyduck]

Thank you all for your comments.

 

[Pro21]

If you care to name the casino we might be able to give you a more informed answer.

 

[moo321]

I have been wondering how long our local casino would let one play at higher stakes. This is a small casino without any competition around. Tables in the high stake room are always watched closely by the floor people.

The game:

6 deck shoe
about 1.5 decks cut out
dealer hits S17
DAS allowed
split to four hands including aces (one card for each ace)
double on any initial two cards
late surrender
table limit $25-$500

The play:

Hi Lo, maybe Wonging out at TC <= -2

Betting ramp:

$25 to $250 or
$50 to $500

Question:

How long would the player last in this casino before getting barred?

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with everyone else, and tell you that a 1-10 spread on 6 decks is way too small. The rules are good, and if you wong out a 1-10 spread is ok, but why risk your bankroll playing shoes with less than a 1-15 spread?

 

[FLASH1296]

moo321,

You are making an error that I too made at first glance.

This casino only offers Min to Max betting limits of 10-1.

That alone tells you that they are unwilling to risk anything.

Furthermore, there is hardly a point to monitoring the games

if you turn a blind eye to someone spreading Min to Max !

 

[bondon]

When I first taught my brother how to count cards, he spent 12 hours in a local casino honing his skills with a 1-4 spread ($5 unit). He was getting looks from almost all of the pit bosses, dealers and waiting staff. I'm fairly sure everyone knew what he was doing but it wasn't worth the paperwork to ban a small timer.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

I used to play 25-250 in the nomidshoe games, back when i had moneys.

It was when i got into the most trouble. I quickly learned that you dont last very long with 250 dollar bets especially when you drop them on two spots at a time.

I learnd that cover does go a long way and will usually if anything, buy you more time before they back you off, maybe 10 minutes? half a shoe? not a lot. I would usually limit myself to playing as many shoes as neccessary untill i was able to actually start dropping max bets on the table, then i woudl leave.


Unless i had lost money, then i would pretent to be a compulsive gambler, rockign back and forth in my seat, getign all excited about how i was about to "win it back" then i woudl play a second shoe, and a second shoe only, then leave.

When i began workign ST into my game, i foudn that the effect of dropping max bets for several hands off the top of a fresh shoe gave me the freedom to bet however i like.

I once did this with dual 200 dollar bets, sat out like 12 hands midshoe, then droped more 200 dollar bets at the end of the shoe, and won 6700...in one shoe, i had more floorpeopel watching my game than i have ever had before and my current record stiill stands at 4. Afterward there was no recourse though, so it is safe to say if anythign that cover betting lareg bets off the top is highly effective cover, and ~should~ allow you to bet however you like.

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Playin three hours on one shift LIKE THAT is a surefire way to get banned, you could play that ong, but be sure not to be dropping max bets that long. Keep in mind, when your dropping table minimum, nobody gives a **** how you are playing, you can do that as long as youd like. I come and go based on the number of shoes iv played, and how many large bets iv made, not how many hours. All in all, I have only one time played more the 3 hours in one casino, and during that time i was backed off, i just chose to continue to play, cause i thought it was funny to watch them run around and try to stop me.