how much a card counter walk away with?
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Honestly the first time you walk into a casino and win quite a bit they probably wont care. If you keep going back and taking alot thats when you should start hiding your chips.
I mean dependent on which casino you go too, people win in the £1000's legitly even 10'000s, so you walking away with afew hundred more than you brought in, doubt they will care.
Problem is - We know we are counters so we always think someone is watching us and if we win we start thinking crap i wonder if they think we are counting and if they know!
It's good to be careful, but you don't want to be too nervous about edgey about it.
Anyways, yeah walking away with afew more hundred shouldn't matter too much. Really depends on what kind of casino you go too though.
I mean dependent on which casino you go too, people win in the £1000's legitly even 10'000s, so you walking away with afew hundred more than you brought in, doubt they will care.
Problem is - We know we are counters so we always think someone is watching us and if we win we start thinking crap i wonder if they think we are counting and if they know!
It's good to be careful, but you don't want to be too nervous about edgey about it.
Anyways, yeah walking away with afew more hundred shouldn't matter too much. Really depends on what kind of casino you go too though.
I just came up with a rule of thumb, dunno if it will hold up, but here goes:
1) If you walk away with winnings higher than a table max bet, it will begin to get some attention.
2) If you walk away with the highest denomination chip in the rack, it will get some attention.
This level of attention won't really matter though, unless it's done repeatedly (hiding chips is good) But there's a bigger level of win at a place that might be consider "impolite". If a player's just killing a game, it's going to trigger extra scrutiny, no matter what they're doing.
1) If you walk away with winnings higher than a table max bet, it will begin to get some attention.
2) If you walk away with the highest denomination chip in the rack, it will get some attention.
This level of attention won't really matter though, unless it's done repeatedly (hiding chips is good) But there's a bigger level of win at a place that might be consider "impolite". If a player's just killing a game, it's going to trigger extra scrutiny, no matter what they're doing.
Also. if you play using a player's card (for example, the comps are good, or not having a card at some places automatically puts you under scrutiny), then you must be careful not to have a good win/loss ratio over an extended period of time. Hiding chips is in order. One Forum member here told me he was half-shoed at a major AC casino simply because of a great win/loss ratio. Maybe they go back and review your films if you have a good ratio, or maybe they just reason you can't be that lucky so you must be doing something--that, I don't know.
Are you known by the casino? Are you a regular and fly under the heat radar and does the casino see a fair quantity of big players? Everything is relative. Some casinos sweat every bet and others don't get nervous about too much. Are you playing a shoe game or single and double deck? Casinos protect their pitch games more than shoes. Can you count and table talk and watch the pretty girls at the same time? Is your act good? My rule of thumb is to leave once I have tripled my total buy in, even if I buy several times during the session. Keep your eyes open, most casino pit supervision will signal using fingers...1 finger to an associate usually means $1000.00 and so forth. Additionally, did you win the bulk of winnings in a great hand that you got to split 2-3 times and double 1-2...they see that as lucky. But if you bet $10,$10,$10,$10....then suddenly $300 and catch a lucky blackjack then they start to suspect. Be smart but not paranoid.
first things first - who's to say a card counter will walk away with any winnings at all after playing for 4-5 hours? or after playing an entire 24 hours? :devil:
my personal rule of thumb for getting up from ONE PIT in a casino is 2-3x the table max, unless some ridiculous splits/doubles put me above that. even if i hit this 2-3x table max (which has not happened very often at all to be honest...), i will just stumble over to another pit in the same casino if there is another pit available and good conditions persist.
the one consistent thing ive always tried to do is to trust my play and my act and to not back myself off from good conditions...
my personal rule of thumb for getting up from ONE PIT in a casino is 2-3x the table max, unless some ridiculous splits/doubles put me above that. even if i hit this 2-3x table max (which has not happened very often at all to be honest...), i will just stumble over to another pit in the same casino if there is another pit available and good conditions persist.
the one consistent thing ive always tried to do is to trust my play and my act and to not back myself off from good conditions...
It's kind of like, if your avg initial bet actually is $30, and, say, you are playing with an overall EV of 1%, and you play 100 hands per hour, then in 5 hours your EV would only be $150 anyway kind of thing.
So maybe knowing what to expect over how long, along with knowing a likely high range (1 or 2 stand dev say) is where it all begins and then decide just what amounts might arouse suspicion.
Is there any specific reason (like game, spread, etc) that leads you to believe your avg bet actually will be around $30?
How much did you think you might win anyway that would raise eyebrows in 4-5 hours, say maybe $500 or $1000, and how likely would that result be anyway? Good chance, as rukus suggested, you might not really have to worry about it anyway.
Begin at the beginning.
So maybe knowing what to expect over how long, along with knowing a likely high range (1 or 2 stand dev say) is where it all begins and then decide just what amounts might arouse suspicion.
Is there any specific reason (like game, spread, etc) that leads you to believe your avg bet actually will be around $30?
How much did you think you might win anyway that would raise eyebrows in 4-5 hours, say maybe $500 or $1000, and how likely would that result be anyway? Good chance, as rukus suggested, you might not really have to worry about it anyway.
Begin at the beginning.
I'm too old for running around with pizzas and Chinese food. Besides the cost of gas is prohibitive. At least with BJ I can sit in comfortable chairs, drink whatever at no cost to me, chat with a lot of interesting people from all over the United States, play a game that I enjoy and which offers a great deal of excitement at times, eat good food and purchase nice gifts for my wife and friends using comps, stay in nice hotel rooms free of charge, and win a few buck to boot. I can't help it--I'm a reprobate!
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Function: transitive verb
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So you refuse to deliver Chinese food and pizza ? Leading the life of a dreamer instead of takeing a honest job ?
Get to know me, Inplay...Lol
I'm joking. I'm also retired after a good thirty years of not gambling a red cent. Now I'm having a good time and enjoying some of the fruits of my honest employment. My reprobate years preceded my working years, most of them anyway. Lol Now I'm from squaresville as BJBob tells me. Lol
I'm joking. I'm also retired after a good thirty years of not gambling a red cent. Now I'm having a good time and enjoying some of the fruits of my honest employment. My reprobate years preceded my working years, most of them anyway. Lol Now I'm from squaresville as BJBob tells me. Lol
