how to pretend you are not a counter ?

Finn Dog

Well-Known Member
#25
MAZ said:
...cloud your play with countless cover plays that ruin EV...

...Or you could just examine the ploppies that play the game and emulate their moves that actually can be used...
MAZ:

These two thoughts appear to clash at first glance--can you shed some more light please? Are you talking about cover plays that cost virtually nothing long-term? (PM if nec.).

Best regards,

FD
 

Finn Dog

Well-Known Member
#26
beyondbj said:
How To Pretend You're Not A Counter...any suggestion ?
OK here's a few for you from D.V. Cellini:

"Some of the traits surveillance looks for:

1. Player, 2-3 day beard growth (male only, we hope).

2. Player wears a ball cap, keeps it pulled down to eye level.

3. Player always has one hand covering half of his face at all times.

4. Player shows inordinate interest in all the cards on the table, never talks to anyone.

5. Player orders bottled water, coffee or soda--never drinks alcohol like most everyone else.

6. Player orders 1 bottle of beer and makes it last his whole session.

7. Player slips black or higher into his pocket when he thinks no-one is looking.

8. Player requests to be rated, but does not have his driver's license only a credit card.

9. Player spreads to 2 or 3 hands only on high positive counts.

10 Player makes obvious basic strategy mistakes or incorrect insurance moves only when a suit is applying heat.

11. Player moves his lips with the count.

12. Player always sits at 3rd base.

13. Player always dresses the part for his action (never dresses down--many high net worth people try to hide their wealth for security concerns, not flaunt it like wannabees).

14. Player enters mid-shoe with large cash wagers, wins a few hands, then leaves.

15. Player buys in for large amounts" (then opens with 1 unit or leaves the game early).

Plus many more.

Regards,

FD
 

assume_R

Well-Known Member
#27
Finn Dog said:
MAZ:

These two thoughts appear to clash at first glance--can you shed some more light please? Are you talking about cover plays that cost virtually nothing long-term? (PM if nec.).

Best regards,

FD
I'm pretty sure maz's gist was that you could be stupid and waste your money on cover plays (which he clearly does not advocate), or alternatively you could just emulate a losing ploppy, which is much easier, rarely done, and doesn't cost you. His point was that if you look like an "obvious counter" making a stupid and presumably expensive cover play is pointless. On the other hand, you won't need any cover plays if the casino employees think you are a regular loser at the game.
 

JulieCA

Well-Known Member
#30
psyduck said:
OMG, this site has everything people need for BJ!

They should have shirts with index tables printed upside down too. In that case, if you see a floor person standing upside down looking at your shirt, you know it's time to leave!
For the female counter, take it one step further and have it tattooed on a breast then wear cleavage-baring top. Nobody will pay attention even if you move your lips to the count.

Saw a good one on "Lie to Me" episode - TTOTT (tatas on the table) as a legitimate distraction. That was for poker, but it probably works in blackjack as well. I wouldn't know - my tatas aren't what they used to be. :laugh:
 

assume_R

Well-Known Member
#31
Finn Dog said:
Assume_R:

Please clarify. Do you mean steaming?

Regards,

FD
I'm not sure exactly what maz was referring to, you'd have to ask him, I was just trying explain that he wasn't talking about advocating cover plays.
 
#32
1. Whenever the dealer busts, say, “Wow, all us ploppies sure did good on that one.”

2. Split 5s and double down on the split, regardless of the hand.

3. Ask the waitress for a 7-Up with an olive.

4. When the dealer says “you’ve got 6 or 16,” ask her if you have to tell her which one you want it to be.

5. When the dealer offers insurance, ask what the deductible is.

6. In Vegas, ask the dealer if the Donny and Marie show is topless.

7. Ask if you can raise your bet on the river.

8. When the dealer tells you not to touch the cards, ask if you can lick them.

9. Wear a t-shirt that says “I don’t go to MIT, and I don’t even know what the letters stand for.”

10. Ask the other players if anyone counts cards, and if so, would they please keep you posted.

11. Complain loudly that you’ve lost so much money playing blackjack that you had to sell your kids to a medical school.

12. Ask the PC if he can let you know when you’ve got enough comps for an omelette.

13. Ask if it’s okay to bluff.

14. Tell everyone you’re only playing because all the seats are full at the Casino War game.
 
#33
Finn Dog said:
OK here's a few for you from D.V. Cellini:

"Some of the traits surveillance looks for:

1. Player, 2-3 day beard growth (male only, we hope).

2. Player wears a ball cap, keeps it pulled down to eye level.

3. Player always has one hand covering half of his face at all times.

4. Player shows inordinate interest in all the cards on the table, never talks to anyone.

5. Player orders bottled water, coffee or soda--never drinks alcohol like most everyone else.

6. Player orders 1 bottle of beer and makes it last his whole session.

7. Player slips black or higher into his pocket when he thinks no-one is looking.

8. Player requests to be rated, but does not have his driver's license only a credit card.

9. Player spreads to 2 or 3 hands only on high positive counts.

10 Player makes obvious basic strategy mistakes or incorrect insurance moves only when a suit is applying heat.

11. Player moves his lips with the count.

12. Player always sits at 3rd base.

13. Player always dresses the part for his action (never dresses down--many high net worth people try to hide their wealth for security concerns, not flaunt it like wannabees).

14. Player enters mid-shoe with large cash wagers, wins a few hands, then leaves.

15. Player buys in for large amounts" (then opens with 1 unit or leaves the game early).

Plus many more.

Regards,

FD
many more like what? :)
 

QFIT

Well-Known Member
#34
This is probably a copyright violation.

Also, the first ten are pretty obvious, and the last five are not so good indicators.
 
#35
For the female counter, take it one step further and have it tattooed on a breast then wear cleavage-baring top. Nobody will pay attention even if you move your lips to the count.

Saw a good one on "Lie to Me" episode - TTOTT (tatas on the table) as a legitimate distraction. That was for poker, but it probably works in blackjack as well. I wouldn't know - my tatas aren't what they used to be.
I'm fairly new to counting, but I've already come to the conclusion that tatas and tank tops are the best cover I have at my disposal. :grin:
 
#36
BJBlowHole said:
1. Whenever the dealer busts, say, “Wow, all us ploppies sure did good on that one.”

2. Split 5s and double down on the split, regardless of the hand.

3. Ask the waitress for a 7-Up with an olive.

4. When the dealer says “you’ve got 6 or 16,” ask her if you have to tell her which one you want it to be.

5. When the dealer offers insurance, ask what the deductible is.

6. In Vegas, ask the dealer if the Donny and Marie show is topless.

7. Ask if you can raise your bet on the river.

8. When the dealer tells you not to touch the cards, ask if you can lick them.

9. Wear a t-shirt that says “I don’t go to MIT, and I don’t even know what the letters stand for.”

10. Ask the other players if anyone counts cards, and if so, would they please keep you posted.

11. Complain loudly that you’ve lost so much money playing blackjack that you had to sell your kids to a medical school.

12. Ask the PC if he can let you know when you’ve got enough comps for an omelette.

13. Ask if it’s okay to bluff.

14. Tell everyone you’re only playing because all the seats are full at the Casino War game.
Excellent! :1st:
 

bj bob

Well-Known Member
#37
Sonny said:
You can borrow mine. It's even printed upside down so you can read it while you wear it!



http://www.cafepress.com/+las_vegas_strip_6_deck_ash_grey_tshirt,69835204

-Sonny-
Or better still, I've got one with the index values within the BS chart. It's all the rage with the PC's. :devil::devil:
I had one made for my 74 year old aunt. I give her $100 in nickels and tell her to flat bet the min on a $5 table at the other end of the pit from where I'm playing (in peace).....Priceless!
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#38
bj bob said:
Or better still, I've got one with the index values within the BS chart. It's all the rage with the PC's. :devil::devil:
I had one made for my 74 year old aunt. I give her $100 in nickels and tell her to flat bet the min on a $5 table at the other end of the pit from where I'm playing (in peace).....Priceless!
So the index plays on auntie's shirt are to attract PCs to watch her while you tear up the table on the other side of the pit? You'll be sorry if she gets back-roomed! :grin:
 

QFIT

Well-Known Member
#39
BJBlowHole said:
6. In Vegas, ask the dealer if the Donny and Marie show is topless.
I'm still having nightmares of Donnie Osmond in a topless revue. It's replaced my nightmare of Pat Boone shirtless in a leather vest plugging a metal album. Of course, that could never happen.

There is a picture of Marie Osmond topless floating around. Wait, that's Courtney Love. I get them confused.
 

bj bob

Well-Known Member
#40
aslan said:
So the index plays on auntie's shirt are to attract PCs to watch her while you tear up the table on the other side of the pit? You'll be sorry if she gets back-roomed! :grin:
Hey, she gets a kick out of it all. It's been quite a few years since she's had "young" men staring at her :) rack :).
 
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