iPhone Card Counter

[bigtomy]

Hello everybody,

Question: That someone had tried new Apps "Blackjack Card Counter" for iPhone with 4 Counting systems in it of which Hi-Lo. If yes; could you explain me how you can calculate the exact True Count if you do not record cards with 0 value. Even if you did not try it, I would like to know your opinion on the new Apps from "Poulet Maison Ptd Ltd" (I know, the name sound weird)

Thanks everyone

 

[FLASH1296]

W t f ?

You appear to be confused.

A card tagged with a ZERO value has no effect on computing the True Count as it is not included in the running count.

 

[bigtomy]

Thanks for your reply,

I understand that zero cards do not count in your running count, but if you want to know your true count, you have to calculate how many cards went out to divide your running count by the remaining cards. Then, my question still, if the software does not allow you to enter zero value cards (meaning; recording the card went out), how it can calculate the true count if that software doesn’t know the number of remaining cards.

Best regards,

 

[standard toaster]

Thanks for your reply,

I understand that zero cards do not count in your running count, but if you want to know your true count, you have to calculate how many cards went out to divide your running count by the remaining cards. Then, my question still, if the software does not allow you to enter zero value cards (meaning; recording the card went out), how it can calculate the true count if that software doesn’t know the number of remaining cards.

Best regards,

if the program does not tell you the number of cards remaining then you can not convert your running count to a true count.

 

[Cherry7Up]

I think s/he was curious about how to estimate the cards remaining (in order to calculate the true count) if not recording 0 value cards played.

I'm not familiar with how the iPhone app works, so I don't know if it relies on entry of these 0 value cards or not when (if) it evaluates the cards/decks remaining.

 

[FLASH1296]

True Counts computed by hands played.

I have no idea about the software you are referring to, but software obviously has no problem monitoring the no. of cards played.
Good BJ software gives the option of how to compute the true count; including "exact no. of cards",
full deck, half deck, quarter deck, truncated, floored, rounded.

Best for real life pragmatic use for shoe games is full deck and "floored"

If you need to estimate hands played via the no. of cards used by the dealer and player alike it is 2.7 cards per hand.
So, heads up it is (on average) 5.4 cards per round.
That means that 5 hands will average 27 cards.
Since a half deck is 26 cards, that is close enough.

 

[bigtomy]

This is the software I talk about. Personally, I thought it's no use. But my opinion can be wrong. :juggle:

 

[Sonny]

This is the software I talk about. Personally, I thought it's no use. But my opinion can be wrong.

Not only is it useless, it's illegal in just about every casino. It's probably the least effective cheating device of it's kind. It's not even good for practicing at home.

-Sonny-

 

[Blue Efficacy]

It has "count vibrate" as well as stealth mode. You keep it in your pocket as you are playing and rely on vibrations to know the count. There is no way the casino could justify making you let them inspect your phone or anything of that nature.

Illegal, in many jurisdictions likely yes. But in all practicality I think you could get away with it just fine. As long as you don't do anything stupid like look at it when it is not in stealth mode with a PC watching, or even a ploppy. You don't want a ploppy to get curious about it..

 

[FLASH1296]

Caveat

If caught you will almost certainly be arrested.
This can be termed a "cheating device"

In most states, and in Nevada for certain, mere possession of it in a casino is a felony.

In Nevada they rarely sentence miscreants with "devices" to probation; and minimum felony sentences need to exceed one year\'s incarceration.

 

[standard toaster]

If caught you will almost certainly be arrested.
This can be termed a "cheating device"

In most states, and in Nevada for certain, mere possession of it in a casino is a felony.

In Nevada they rarely sentence miscreants with "devices" to probation; and minimum felony sentences need to exceed one year\'s incarceration.

yes but is legaly just a cell phone. I dont think they could prossecute you for having the application on your phone.

Although i think this is a terrible device to use in a casino i also believe it would be quite easy to hide. It does not keep a record of when applications were used. On top of that if a casino would have no right to go through your cell phone to find the application and even if they could you could rename it among your other 200 apps. If you got heat you could simply exit the program and nothing could really be done.

What i really mean is just learn to count its not worth any risk nor is it a well designed program from what i hear. Useless

 

[ihate17]

choices

Let's see, you could use your brain to count and at worse they might ask you to leave.

Or, you could use this iPhone thingy that does not do any more than your brain can and they may ask you to stay in an all expenses paid Nevada vacation in the middle of the desert at some prison. Does not matter if they have the right to search you etc because if you have the device, security, gaming and the police will get together and make sure their lies confirm that the search was legal. If you are lucky and do not go to jail, you are still in the whole because you may spend a few years worth of EV on your attorney.

Decisions, decisions, decisions

ihate17

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Yeah, there's the possible prison time if used in NV.

Then there's the fact that if you use it with any discretion at all, you won't get caught.

 

[Sonny]

So you're sitting there with your hand in your pocket all night long, fingers physically moving around and clicking on a computer screen every time a card comes out. You don't think you'll get caught? And all it does is give you a true count? They had more powerful, less conspicuous BJ computers back in the 70s. This program is junk.

-Sonny-

 

[ihate17]

Talk about a big downside

Yeah, there's the possible prison time if used in NV.

Then there's the fact that if you use it with any discretion at all, you won't get caught.

If you can make enough in a trip or two to never work again and live in comfort, you might take that gamble. If you can not make that much in a trip or two but use it, you deserve to be Bubba's cellmate.
In my opinion this is disadvantage play, not advantage play.

ihate17

 

[FLASH1296]

This is more than simply an unethical activity.
It is morally WRONG to cheat; and it should be illegal.

 

[Hogg]

Ok it can add +1 and -1. It will be very effective in keeping a RC but I dont see any button where you can enter the neutral cards. So how can it convert your RC to your TC if it does not know how many cards are in the shoe. Just wondering how this device could possibly help anyone. If you cant keep a RC then you should not be counting. No?

Anybody familliar with this device. And how it works it would be good for practice if it does work.

And it is illegal and if the casino thinks you are cheating they will take you to the back room and check out your device. If you dont want to show them I am sure the cops will be called. They wont let this thing take their $$

 

[UK-21]

I think this could become a sideline sport - spot the person with the i-phone in their pocket?

This silly program will be the downfall of many smart kids - getting caught and barred for life, possible arrest (although unlikely in the UK I think) with the hassles that ensue, losing a bundle through over-betting etc.

Still could be good cover - have someone pull out an i-phone at the table you're playing. No prizes for guessing where all the attention will shift to.