Is there a true count conversion for KO?

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21forme

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I'm currently reading Snyder's "Blackbelt in Blackjack." In the chapter on Red 7, he talks about a formula for TC for Red 7 being RC/(2*(decks left)).

Would this also hold true for KO?
 
ThunderWalk

ThunderWalk

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21forme said:
I'm currently reading Snyder's "Blackbelt in Blackjack." In the chapter on Red 7, he talks about a formula for TC for Red 7 being RC/(2*(decks left)).

Would this also hold true for KO?
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One of the "advantages" claimed by the authors is that KO doesn't require converting the count to something else. However, the Initial Running Count (IRC) is 0 for single-deck, -4 for 2-decks, -20 for 6-decks, and -28 for 8-decks.

I'm in the process of learning to implement the system, but starting with such a high count is what's creating a problem for me. I play a lot of 6-deck games to practice, and when I go to the casino, initially I'll be playing 8-deck games until I can get good enough to risk playing smaller decks.

At present, I'm overwhelmed when I'm showing 16, the count is -18, the person next to me is complaining about his 15-year-old daughter, and "Happy Birthday Sweet 16" is playing on the sound system.
 
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shadroch

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ThunderWalk said:
One of the "advantages" claimed by the authors is that KO doesn't require converting the count to something else. However, the Initial Running Count (IRC) is 0 for single-deck, -4 for 2-decks, -20 for 6-decks, and -28 for 8-decks.

I'm in the process of learning to implement the system, but starting with such a high count is what's creating a problem for me. I play a lot of 6-deck games to practice, and when I go to the casino, initially I'll be playing 8-deck games until I can get good enough to risk playing smaller decks.

At present, I'm overwhelmed when I'm showing 16, the count is -18, the person next to me is complaining about his 15-year-old daughter, and "Happy Birthday Sweet 16" is playing on the sound system.
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Please explain what you mean by playing 8 deck games until you are good enough to play smaller ecks. One the surface,this makes no sense.The smaller the number of decks,you play with,the easier it is,and the more effective KO is. There is a section in the KO book that explains that if you are having trouble with large negative numbers,you can substitute any numbers you wish.If you have not read this section,you should do so ASAP.
 
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ThunderWalk

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shadroch said:
Please explain what you mean by playing 8 deck games until you are good enough to play smaller ecks. One the surface,this makes no sense.The smaller the number of decks,you play with,the easier it is,and the more effective KO is. There is a section in the KO book that explains that if you are having trouble with large negative numbers,you can substitute any numbers you wish.If you have not read this section,you should do so ASAP.
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So as to not hijack this thread, I started a new one to reply. Thanks.

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4708
 
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Knox

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shadroch said:
Please explain what you mean by playing 8 deck games until you are good enough to play smaller ecks. One the surface,this makes no sense.The smaller the number of decks,you play with,the easier it is,and the more effective KO is. There is a section in the KO book that explains that if you are having trouble with large negative numbers,you can substitute any numbers you wish.If you have not read this section,you should do so ASAP.
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Exactly. I just start the KO count at zero, regardless of number of decks, and adjust all the trigger points accordingly. Why anyone would start a count at -20 and deal with negative numbers so much is beyond me.
 
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c_st

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21forme said:
I'm currently reading Snyder's "Blackbelt in Blackjack." In the chapter on Red 7, he talks about a formula for TC for Red 7 being RC/(2*(decks left)).

Would this also hold true for KO?
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For TKO, you start your IRC at -4 for 1D, -8 for 2D, etc. While I don't have the indices for TKO, you can use Brh-0 or Brh-I TC indices, which should be good enough to use.

Unless you are familiar with negative TC indices, some of the indices will look funny to you.

And, yes TKO outperforms KO for a whole host of reasons.
 
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