Just Found the Best Game

[WABJ11]

I just found a 2 deck game in a local casino that has 70-90% penetration depending on the dealer. This game has surrender, dealer hits S17, but only double 10 and 11. But (and this is the good part) they have mid-shoe entry. The problem with this game is that the minimum bet is $15. So I was wonging in and out a lot which the pit didnt seem to mind cause its a big pit.

How do I properly use surrender?

If I cant wong, is the $15 min still beatable? Obviously a big bankroll, but how big?

 

[Brutus]

What part of the country did you find this game?

 

[EasyRhino]

D10, but surrender allowed? Strange.

I'm guessing you haven't played at a game with surrender before. You can generate the basic strategy at this site no problem. If you're varying your play with indices, then you want to learn the "fab 4" surrender indices.

And yeah, it's definitely beatable, with either a big enough spread (probably not too huge, in that game actually), or with rigorous wonging.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

It sounds like an excellent game. Almost any game with surrender is playable. And with excellent pen.

Are you allowed to double after splitting? That makes a big difference. If so, the D10 rule will make your split strategy slightly different.

 

[moo321]

This should be VERY beatable, even with a small spread. In neutral counts, surrender 16 v. 10, 15 v. 10, 16 v. 9, 16 v. A.

 

[WABJ11]

I believe you can double after split. Plus I forgot to add: it is dealt face up too! It is a dream game, to bad I just blew most of my bankroll at a game I shouldn't have even been playing.

I'd rather not share specifically where this game is located. But it is at a very small casino in a very bad neighborhood. The game is fairly new at this establishment, but it seems like the dealers treat it as if they are dealing 6 deck. No special precautions.

What kind of spread should I be using? I was thinking I could sit at another table close by and backcount. I know if I stand behind the table and wong someone will catch on sooner or later.

 

[Mimosine]

What kind of spread should I be using? I was thinking I could sit at another table close by and backcount. I know if I stand behind the table and wong someone will catch on sooner or later.

a 1-3 spread will make it +EV for sure.

 

[jack.jackson]

I just found a 2 deck game in a local casino that has 70-90% penetration depending on the dealer. This game has surrender, dealer hits S17, but only double 10 and 11. But (and this is the good part) they have mid-shoe entry. The problem with this game is that the minimum bet is $15. So I was wonging in and out a lot which the pit didnt seem to mind cause its a big pit.

How do I properly use surrender?

If I cant wong, is the $15 min still beatable? Obviously a big bankroll, but how big?

Can you ascertain that 70-90% is the norm, or was it the night of one hit wonders with bluemoon playing in the back ground?
Because of the good pen, will be the only thing that makes this game worth playing.
For example, typical, 2D, H17, DAS, & RSA,or LS,[-.36]

Your game: 2D:[-.36]D10,[-.28]H17,[-.20]DAS,[.+14]LS[+.04]/[+.16] with card counting.RSA,[+.04]= -.50 with DAS,RSA, and provided LS is used to its highest potential.
NDAS,NRSA,LS is used at lowest potential = -.80
-.44 -.74
Sceenario 1 -.50, Scenario 2 -.80 , provided D10,11 [-.28] the strategy engine says it only hurts you by [-.22] so off the top the numbers may be +.06 better than what i show. The truth always lies somewhere in the middle!

What it is, is D10 hurts you by -.26 in a 1D, but only hurts you by -.22 in a 2D. So add +.06 to the above numbers. My bad. So depending what the exact rules in play are, and how well you use LS will have a modest difference in your advantage from the top.

As a general rule of thumb, the trick to beating a game such as this will be to be to compensate for the adverse rules, while taking full advantage of the superb pen. If you do not compensate in betting in accordance to your advantage/ coupled with bigger spreads/accordance to your bankroll. This game could have you easily overbetting if your not careful. I would suggest 1:8 to a 1:12[play all] and 100x your max bet 120.00 to a 180.00.Be careful!!!

 

[WABJ11]

Nope its not a fluke. I went through three dealers, all cutting in similar places some better than others.

I forgot to add, you can play as many hands as you want whenever you want. How could I use this to my advantage as well?

 

[EasyRhino]

If you're playing with other people, do the "usual" technique of spreading to more hands in a positive count. If you're playing heads up, you can spread to more hands if you know that the last hand is coming up in a positive count to get a few more cards out of it.

And you can also toy with the "grifter gambit" of spreading to multiple hands (with tiny bets) to eat cards in negative counts, switching to one bet of big bet in positive counts.

 

[WABJ11]

I plugged these rules into the BS engine generator and it said that the house has a 0.00% advantage. I dont understand how this casino can offer this game?

I played with a healthy bankroll and won $3,000 my first night. The second night was a little less but still after about 4 hours of play I won $1,000. I wonged in and out the pit didn't even give me a second look.

 

[jack.jackson]

I plugged these rules into the BS engine generator and it said that the house has a 0.00% advantage. I dont understand how this casino can offer this game?

I played with a healthy bankroll and won $3,000 my first night. The second night was a little less but still after about 4 hours of play I won $1,000. I wonged in and out the pit didn't even give me a second look.

That's with DAS, and early Sr. 0.00 DAS,LS -.58 NDAS,LS-.71

Congratulations, on your score! Id be lying if i said i wasnt a little bit jealous!

Can you tell us a little more about your victory! Bet spread etc. Go ahead brag a little

 

[zengrifter]

I plugged these rules into the BS engine generator and it said that the house has a 0.00% advantage. I dont understand how this casino can offer this game?

The game is still profitable to the 99.9% of customers who don't play BS. BUT the rules you indicated exert a higher housEdge than 0.00. zg

 

[WABJ11]

That's with DAS, and early Sr. 0.00 DAS,LS -.58 NDAS,LS-.71

Congratulations, on your score! Id be lying if i said i wasnt a little bit jealous!

Can you tell us a little more about your victory! Bet spread etc. Go ahead brag a little

I purposely went on friday and saturday nights because I knew it would be the busiest time. I back counted and when the count got good I jumped in. Wonged in and out, no problems.

 

[greaser84]

Can you ascertain that 70-90% is the norm, or was it the night of one hit wonders with bluemoon playing in the back ground?
Because of the good pen, will be the only thing that makes this game worth playing.
For example, typical, 2D, H17, DAS, & RSA,or LS,[-.36]

Your game: 2D:[-.36]D10,[-.28]H17,[-.20]DAS,[.+14]LS[+.04]/[+.16] with card counting.RSA,[+.04]= -.50 with DAS,RSA, and provided LS is used to its highest potential.
NDAS,NRSA,LS is used at lowest potential = -.80
-.44 -.74
Sceenario 1 -.50, Scenario 2 -.80 , provided D10,11 [-.28] the strategy engine says it only hurts you by [-.22] so off the top the numbers may be +.06 better than what i show. The truth always lies somewhere in the middle!

What it is, is D10 hurts you by -.26 in a 1D, but only hurts you by -.22 in a 2D. So add +.06 to the above numbers. My bad. So depending what the exact rules in play are, and how well you use LS will have a modest difference in your advantage from the top.

As a general rule of thumb, the trick to beating a game such as this will be to be to compensate for the adverse rules, while taking full advantage of the superb pen. If you do not compensate in betting in accordance to your advantage/ coupled with bigger spreads/accordance to your bankroll. This game could have you easily overbetting if your not careful. I would suggest 1:8 to a 1:12[play all] and 100x your max bet 120.00 to a 180.00.Be careful!!!

Yeah uh can you explain what that all means. i get the jist of it but umm yeah..

 

[NightStalker]

best game, really?

I just found a 2 deck game in a local casino that has 70-90% penetration depending on the dealer. This game has surrender, dealer hits S17, but only double 10 and 11. But (and this is the good part) they have mid-shoe entry. The problem with this game is that the minimum bet is $15. So I was wonging in and out a lot which the pit didnt seem to mind cause its a big pit.

How do I properly use surrender?

If I cant wong, is the $15 min still beatable? Obviously a big bankroll, but how big?

Game is nowhere close to the best.. I think min is 10$ and it's d10. They donot have ds and rsa.. It is offerred by one of the sharpest casino of all times. Game have been same for years and will remain same. Are you sure about ds and rsa???

 

[BJgenius007]

I would suggest 1:8 to a 1:12[play all] and 100x your max bet 120.00 to a 180.00.Be careful!!!

I really doubt he has a bankroll of $18,000 to play this game comfortably because of his tone mentioning $15 table minimal.

 

[WABJ11]

This post is very old, this game doesn't even exist anymore.

 

[NightStalker]

oops,

din't read the date.. If the game is gone, would you consider posting/PM what game were you referring to?

 

[WABJ11]

Why does it matter now?