No Even Money!

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assume_R

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I was at a casino last week, and got a blackjack versus an Ace. I was told by the dealer, "You can't have even money on your blackjack, but you can take insurance if you want."

ummmmmmmmm let's all think about that for a moment...
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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assume_R said:
I was at a casino last week, and got a blackjack versus an Ace. I was told by the dealer, "You can't have even money on your blackjack, but you can take insurance if you want."

ummmmmmmmm let's all think about that for a moment...
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6/5 games don't allow even money, only insurance. zg
 
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paddywhack

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assume_R said:
I was at a casino last week, and got a blackjack versus an Ace. I was told by the dealer, "You can't have even money on your blackjack, but you can take insurance if you want."

ummmmmmmmm let's all think about that for a moment...
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assume_R said:
It was actually a 3/2 game for this instance.
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Then I guess they just like the extra work of placing and removing additional bets.
 
Coyote

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I didn't think you were supposed to take even money on your blackjack anyway based on the percentage of 10s in the pack? Isn't that a common fallacy?
 
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assume_R

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Coyote said:
I didn't think you were supposed to take even money on you blackjack anyway based on the percentage of 10s in the pack? Isn't that a common fallacy?
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Why not? If there are excess 10's, and the dealer has a good chance of a natural as well, it's worth it to take even money (i.e. insurance) than possibly push.
 
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MangoJ

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Coyote said:
I didn't think you were supposed to take even money on you blackjack anyway based on the percentage of 10s in the pack? Isn't that a common fallacy?
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Even money and insurance are the same bet. You bet on the holecard being a 10, and both get paid 3:1. If insurance is favorable by the count, even money is also favorable.
 
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The Suburbs

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Coyote said:
Makes sence. Is there an index for it?
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It is the exact same index as taking insurance against an ace with a non-blackjack hand. TC >= +3 for Hi-Lo. Taking even money with a blackjack is effectively the same thing as taking insurance against an ace with any other hand.

I suppose it is slightly different, in that you actually win a bet if the dealer has blackjack rather than effectively "push". Still, any time you would take insurance against an ace, you would take even money when you have a blackjack vs. a dealer ace.

Edit: I wonder if you could ever try to take even money and THEN put out an insurance bet against a newbie dealer. I guess that would be difficult without a hand in front of you....
 
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Severity8

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The Suburbs said:
It is the exact same index as taking insurance against an ace with a non-blackjack hand. TC >= +3 for Hi-Lo. Taking even money with a blackjack is effectively the same thing as taking insurance against an ace with any other hand.

I suppose it is slightly different, in that you actually win a bet if the dealer has blackjack rather than effectively "push". Still, any time you would take insurance against an ace, you would take even money when you have a blackjack vs. a dealer ace.

Edit: I wonder if you could ever try to take even money and THEN put out an insurance bet against a newbie dealer. I guess that would be difficult without a hand in front of you....
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Put out the insurance bet then point to the original bet and say I want even money on this one. Never know how that would play out.
 
Coyote

Coyote

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tthree said:
If you are into cover plays, always taking even money is your best one. Think about it.
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That could work both ways. I was playing the part of a gambler out for a good time and chatting up the dealer. I got a blackjack vs her A. I said something like roll the dice and I won the hand. I made a little show of my win. LOL!
 
zengrifter

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Coyote said:
LOL! Yes I am. Just haven't really dealt with this situation much. :eek:
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I had just the opposite occur at Plaza Vegas before it closed.
I placed out an insurance bet and the PB got agitated, "don't you just want even money?"
And I said "No, I'm going with full insurance." Then they had trouble making the correct payoff. zg
 
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Sucker

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tthree said:
If you are into cover plays, always taking even money is your best one. Think about it.
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Coyote said:
That could work both ways. I was playing the part of a gambler out for a good time and chatting up the dealer. I got a blackjack vs her A. I said something like roll the dice and I won the hand. I made a little show of my win. LOL!
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Carefully read the part where tthree says "Think about it". For some of the techniques he's talking about, this happens to be a HUGE career - lengthening move, and unfortunately; one that MANY pros - even TOP pros - seem to overlook! :cool:
 
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Renzey

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Sucker said:
Carefully read the part where tthree says "Think about it". For some of the techniques he's talking about, this happens to be a HUGE career - lengthening move, and unfortunately; one that MANY pros - even TOP pros - seem to overlook! :cool:
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To get around the glaring visual of not taking even money, I sometimes take Insurance for less (10% to 20% of the bet) when I have blackjack at a non-qualifying count. For example, you have $75 up, the dealer asks if you want Even Money and you push $10 out there saying, "For less". Problem is, it has often stopped the game in its tracks while the dealer says I can't do that. Then the floorperson comes over and says either I can or I can't -- while I justify that I'm just trying to make sure I win at least twenty bucks while still having a shot at $100 plus.

I've been greeted with everything from, "We'll let it go this time, but don't do it again", to "Nice try, but I didn't just start this job yesterday", to "It's fine, he can Insure any hand for less".

Truth is, it seldom just goes by smoothly and has at times garnered more attention than simply declining Even Money. I think you have to have the image of a bonafide wack job for it to fit in.
 
sagefr0g

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Renzey said:
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Carefully read the part where tthree says "Think about it". For some of the techniques he's talking about, this happens to be a HUGE career - lengthening move, and unfortunately; one that MANY pros - even TOP pros - seem to overlook!
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To get around the glaring visual of not taking even money......
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hmm, not a pro here & only a red chipper, but these statements are going right over my head.:confused:
how is it such a big deal to not take even money?
 
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