"Opp" and Ace/Ten counts

[d-down21]

I've been practicing The "K.O" count at home for about a month....Went to Mohegan Sun to try it out "Fuhgetabout It"..........I need a LOT more practice ............Ended up playing b/s increased my bets during a nice win streak and ended up winning $400..........I know I know..... I was very lucky.

Thanks to this site I've become aware of the "Opp" count and the "Ace Ten" front count............I'm pretty sure I could I coud actually "Implement" either of these counts in "Real Life"/At the tables .

Any feedbackor comments regarding either of these two counts would be greatly appreciated.

 

[person1125]

i would say to keep practicing using KO. the other 2 counts may be easier to use, but won't give you that much of an advantage.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I've been practicing The "K.O" count at home for about a month....Went to Mohegan Sun to try it out "Fuhgetabout It"..........I need a LOT more practice ............Ended up playing b/s increased my bets during a nice win streak and ended up winning $400..........I know I know..... I was very lucky.

Thanks to this site I've become aware of the "Opp" count and the "Ace Ten" front count............I'm pretty sure I could I coud actually "Implement" either of these counts in "Real Life"/At the tables .

Any feedbackor comments regarding either of these two counts would be greatly appreciated.

Those two counts are both based on sound theory and are great illustrations of some of the mathematics of blackjack. However in real-life play they both fall short and it will take a long time to beat a game with them.

Recommend you keep practicing with KO, and don't forget that everybody isn't good at everything and there's no shame for you if you never get the hang of card counting.

 

[chuckn]

I've been practicing The "K.O" count at home for about a month....Went to Mohegan Sun to try it out "Fuhgetabout It"..........I need a LOT more practice ............Ended up playing b/s increased my bets during a nice win streak and ended up winning $400..........I know I know..... I was very lucky.

Thanks to this site I've become aware of the "Opp" count and the "Ace Ten" front count............I'm pretty sure I could I coud actually "Implement" either of these counts in "Real Life"/At the tables .

Any feedbackor comments regarding either of these two counts would be greatly appreciated.

I hope you are playing the six deck games and watching pen at MS. Pen is poor unless you find the right dealer. They are also NOT blind to counters.

 

[EasyRhino]

I was really shaky on my first few trips using KO. Took off a bit and practiced, then went back and tried again. Was at least minimally proficient after a few more tries.

Like others, I don't particularly recommend one of the even easier counts. While I haven't used them, I think KO (or Red 7 or KISS) is really the minimum qualifying level for counting.

 

[Renzey]

Thanks to this site I've become aware of the "Opp" count and the "Ace Ten" front count. Any feedbackor comments regarding either of these two counts would be greatly appreciated.

If you're reasonably serious about becoming an "advantage player", even recreationally, then I think you ought to put in the time and effort to become proficient with KO, or Red 7 or at least KISS I. If on the other hand, you just want to play now and then and not buck a house edge, Ace/10 or OPP or Speed Count can give you a slight upper hand. But beware; you'll still need to implement your game with all the financial responsibility of a semi-pro -- or you're practically certain to go belly up.

The "catch-22" of these newer, super-easy count systems is that they can be learned with a casual effort. You almost cannot succeed with them however using a casual bankroll.

 

[sagefr0g]

If you're reasonably serious about becoming an "advantage player", even recreationally, then I think you ought to put in the time and effort to become proficient with KO, or Red 7 or at least KISS I. If on the other hand, you just want to play now and then and not buck a house edge, Ace/10 or OPP or Speed Count can give you a slight upper hand. But beware; you'll still need to implement your game with all the financial responsibility of a semi-pro -- or you're practically certain to go belly up.

The "catch-22" of these newer, super-easy count systems is that they can be learned with a casual effort. You almost cannot succeed with them however using a casual bankroll.

i used the ace/ten front count extensively for quite some time and very much liked it. did well too. but then i hit one of the bad beats you forewarned about in Blackjack Bluebook II so i went on and became proficient in hi/lo .
it was a great learning experience using the ace/ten front count for me.

 

[dr3putt]

Ffirst Run with KO

I too am getting ready to make my first "live appearance" using KO later this week. I am v ery curious to know which items gave you the most trouble. That is, number of -people, size of shoe, speed of dealer, etc. Maybe I can head off some trouble if you would share this info with me.

Thanks.....

 

[Kasi]

I too am getting ready to make my first "live appearance" using KO later this week. I am v ery curious to know which items gave you the most trouble. That is, number of -people, size of shoe, speed of dealer, etc. Maybe I can head off some trouble if you would share this info with me.Thanks.....

I don't have any answer but I like ur name

In general, pick a game or 2 u think u will likely encounter at what penetration level, pick a bet spread for it and do it! Oh yeah - ideally u might want to know ur chances of busting out given ur bankroll and how many hours u think u will be playing.

And if u can't count that game when u get there don't worry about it. Just play BS until u get better!

 

[sagefr0g]

I too am getting ready to make my first "live appearance" using KO later this week. I am v ery curious to know which items gave you the most trouble. That is, number of -people, size of shoe, speed of dealer, etc. Maybe I can head off some trouble if you would share this info with me.

Thanks.....

my first time outta the gate it was the speed of the dealer that blew me away........ not to mention the fact that i'd unwittingly sat down at a csm table.

 

[person1125]

I would say the number of people at the table is a factor. the more people the more time you have to count while they are deciding on what to do on their hands. I sat down heads up my first time and I felt later that was a mistake.

 

[Mimosine]

I too am getting ready to make my first "live appearance" using KO later this week. I am v ery curious to know which items gave you the most trouble. That is, number of -people, size of shoe, speed of dealer, etc. Maybe I can head off some trouble if you would share this info with me.

Thanks.....

i vote for dealer speed. i'd also attempt to sit at 3rd base or really close to 3rd.

for first base i used to have to wait until i played my hand before i could count down the table, it was really hectic mentally. now that isn't so much a problem. but everynow and then a fast dealer steps up and i have to be on my toes. if you lose the count DO NOT PANIC also don't try to "guess" what the count is. what you should do is take a deep breath, get focused, play perfect BS and try to find your rhythm in preparation for the next shoe.

try to find a 6D shoe. i haven't played 8's yet, but typically the 6Ders have better odds.

 

[d-down21]

My Game Plan

Just want to thank every body for the comments and advice:grin: ......Looks like my game plan is continue practicing "K.O." till my next trip..If I'm still overwelmed then maybe I'll try one of these two "Easier" counts.

 

[d-down21]

I was really shaky on my first few trips using KO. Took off a bit and practiced, then went back and tried again. Was at least minimally proficient after a few more tries.

Was there a particular method you used or would recommend for improving counting skills?

 

[d-down21]

If you're reasonably serious about becoming an "advantage player", even recreationally, then I think you ought to put in the time and effort to become proficient with KO, or Red 7 or at least KISS I. If on the other hand, you just want to play now and then and not buck a house edge, Ace/10 or OPP or Speed Count can give you a slight upper hand. But beware; you'll still need to implement your game with all the financial responsibility of a semi-pro -- or you're practically certain to go belly up.

The "catch-22" of these newer, super-easy count systems is that they can be learned with a casual effort. You almost cannot succeed with them however using a casual bankroll.

Are you the author of the "Bluebook" and inventor of this ace/10 count?......Wow very cool .

Do you know where I can get information on the "Speed Count" that you mentioned?

Unfortunately I do have only a "Casual" bankroll to play around with so maybe I'd be better off using a slight progression as long as I stay ahead on my session.If I fall behind then I flat bet the minmium.

 

[d-down21]

I too am getting ready to make my first "live appearance" using KO later this week. I am v ery curious to know which items gave you the most trouble. That is, number of -people, size of shoe, speed of dealer, etc. Maybe I can head off some trouble if you would share this info with me.

Thanks.....

I pretty much can keep track of the count when the players start hitting there hands it's as the initial 2 cards come out that I get confused.......also if the dealer is real fast then I have no chance...............also I think I need glasses .

 

[EasyRhino]

Cancelling usually helps.

Practice counting down a deck of cards two at a time. When you see offsetting cards (a high and a low), do not change your count. Other times, just chance your running count by the net change (1 or 2).

Now apply this to when you're at the table. When the dealer deals the first card of each hand, just ignore it. When the second card comes out, then you deal each hand a pair at a time. Then when players start drawing cards, you revert to counting them as singletons.

 

[Renzey]

Are you the author of the "Bluebook" and inventor of this Ace/10 Count?......Wow very cool Do you know where I can get information on the "Speed Count" that you mentioned? Maybe I'd be better off using a slight progression as long as I stay ahead on my session. If I fall behind then I flat bet the minmium.

Yes, I wrote "Bluebook". The Speed Count is contained in "Golden Touch Blackjack Revolution", by Frank Scoblete. The system is very similar to OPP, but with more detailed implementing mechanisms.

Forget about progressions. They merely captivate your attention and placate your ambition to do something constructive, but are totally ineffective. In the process, they divert your attention from noticing things at the table that can actually help you. Casinos love progession players.