Paying/Tipping for penetration
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How can increased penetration be considered conspiracy to defraud? If the casino can't get in trouble for half-shoeing a player, how can a player get in trouble for asking for a more fair game? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
The dealer can certainly get in trouble for not following casino procedures but not the player.
The dealer can certainly get in trouble for not following casino procedures but not the player.
Since dealers share the tips in most casinos, tipping in exchange of good penetration might not be as effective as you think. However, having a good relationship with dealers will help. Starting with some good conversation.
This is what I learned from my favorite casino. I have a good relationship with this young dealer who just moved from Las Vegas when PA casinos opened. He is intelligent and sharp. Soon he picked up I am a good counter. Because he is very fond of me, he dealt 7.5 decks out of 8 (this casino doesn't use a notch on the side of the shoe to cut cards) when I am present. It really costs him nothing to help a bro. From this, I also learned that dealers don't report to the pit boss what they know and the pit bosses do not pay much attention to counters as long as they don't lose money on business. I love this casino because it is ploppy central and always busy.
This is what I learned from my favorite casino. I have a good relationship with this young dealer who just moved from Las Vegas when PA casinos opened. He is intelligent and sharp. Soon he picked up I am a good counter. Because he is very fond of me, he dealt 7.5 decks out of 8 (this casino doesn't use a notch on the side of the shoe to cut cards) when I am present. It really costs him nothing to help a bro. From this, I also learned that dealers don't report to the pit boss what they know and the pit bosses do not pay much attention to counters as long as they don't lose money on business. I love this casino because it is ploppy central and always busy.
There is an art to it - see ZGI page-18 >>
What are some of the ploys you use to induce the dealers to give you better penetration?
One trick I use is borrowed from Ian Anderson’s Burning the Tables in Las Vegas: In double deck
games I tell the dealer that “today is my brother’s 29th birthday, so please place the shuffle card 29
cards from the bottom”. In shoe games, “my brother” is 46, so I ask that the card be placed 46
cards from the bottom, “for luck,” I add. I place a toke bet out as I insert the cut card and
demonstrate the penetration I desire, and proclaim, “Let’s make some money.” If the dealer balks,
I add conspiratorially, “Just get as close as you can.”
One trick I use is borrowed from Ian Anderson’s Burning the Tables in Las Vegas: In double deck
games I tell the dealer that “today is my brother’s 29th birthday, so please place the shuffle card 29
cards from the bottom”. In shoe games, “my brother” is 46, so I ask that the card be placed 46
cards from the bottom, “for luck,” I add. I place a toke bet out as I insert the cut card and
demonstrate the penetration I desire, and proclaim, “Let’s make some money.” If the dealer balks,
I add conspiratorially, “Just get as close as you can.”
bjgenius007...never think of any casino personel as a "bro", they may get promoted and you may get 86'ed. If the casino you reference is your home base, you are already on your way out and may not even know it. The only thing that can ruin a great player is a short shelf life. Any barring/banning changes your chances of making money. It usually happens at the best or closest joint. If you use a players card, they will probably revoke all points instantly and your host will never refer you to another property on a comp. Free really adds to the bottom line. Besides, flying to and staying in a comped suite with a butler is sweet. I know because I was there..I now play without a players card in many properties and catch heat just for that. Why wouldn't you take comp points if you play? With all that said, there are indeed some times that a tip will obtain a favorable pene but I reserve that talent for the casinos that get my infrequent play.
