Pete Rose Says He Bet on His Team

[Brutus]

Pete Rose Says He Bet on His Team `Every Night' on ESPN Radio

By Danielle Sessa

March 14 (Bloomberg) -- Pete Rose said he bet on the Cincinnati Reds ``every night'' when he was the team's manager, rather than four times a week as Major League Baseball's all- time hit leader maintained for three years.

Rose said in his 2004 book that he gambled on his team in the late 1980s, after denying for 15 years that he bet on baseball at all. Major-league rules forbid any sort of wagering on the sport.

``I bet on my team every night,'' Rose said today in an interview on ESPN Radio. ``I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. So I wasn't sending a signal out to the people that I'm not going to use my closer on Friday night or Saturday night. I was wrong.''

MLB banned Rose in 1989 for gambling after investigator John Dowd found he bet on Cincinnati during the 1985-87 seasons. The banishment makes Rose ineligible for the Hall of Fame, even though he holds the record for career hits with 4,256.

Rose managed the Reds for six seasons, compiling a 412-373 record. He both played and managed during the 1984-1986 seasons.

``I bet on my team to win every night because I loved my team, I believed in my team,'' Rose said. ``I was wrong but I believed in my team. I had so much confidence in my team, and what did that make me do? I did everything in my power every night to win that game.''

Book Confession

Rose denied betting on baseball for 15 years until he said in his book, ``My Prison Without Bars,'' that he confessed to Commissioner Bud Selig when he sought to have the ban lifted. He said he told the commissioner he bet on the Reds four or five times a week and only to win.

Selig has refused to grant Rose's request for reinstatement. The commissioner, through spokesman Pat Courtney, declined to comment on Rose's latest statement.

Rose said he would like to manage again, and that he would produce a winner and boost attendance.

``If I was ever reinstated and there is an owner that don't want to win and don't want to draw people, don't call my number,'' he said.

Rose appeared on ESPN to discuss the Reds opening an exhibit on his career.

 

[ChefJJ]

Charlie Hustle is the f***ing greatest! Screw the hypocritical MLB...everyone knows he's HOF material. Plenty of "bad" people in there already, and more on their way.

Ran into him at Caesar's last fall (go figure) at the sportsbook. For me and my friends who are Reds fan, that was truly a highlight. Too bad he had to lie for so long, but that's what addicts do.

good luck

 

[Brutus]

Hall of Fame material?
of course he is.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

He's a jerk. Typical criminal behavior- deny everything, then admit facts a little bit at a time but only stuff they can already prove. Next we'll hear "Well I did shave a few runs here and there, but never intentionally lost a game."

In order to be forgiven for breaking the rules he should at least be contrite, but he isn't even that. He's just telling people what he thinks they need to hear in order for his banning to be lifted.

 

[ChefJJ]

And???

It was not "criminal behavior", but it was breaking the rules. No doubt about that. But still a HOF player.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

And???

It was not "criminal behavior", but it was breaking the rules. No doubt about that. But still a HOF player.

I'm not sure about that; I believe these were illegal books he was betting with. But what I meant was: the way he is acting is the way a criminal acts when he is sorry he got caught, not when a person realizes he did wrong and is truly repentant. He'd have a better chance if he came completely clean to begin with, and then kept his mouth shut and let the sportswriters argue his case.

It's a tough question, I agree. No question his playing career was HOF-worthy. But Baseball made a decision and I believe they should stick with it.

The drug users are going to be an even tougher question. These guys shouldn't be compared to the greats of old who didn't need that crap. The problem is, it is so prevalent and so hard to prove, what are they going to do, give everyone an asterisk?

 

[shadroch]

One of my best memories of Vegas is walking thru Caesars and seeing him sitting alone at a table,a large stack of photos waiting to be autographed.There were about five people pimping his appearence and everyone just walked by,ignoring him.
Screw him,and his horse.

Not criminal behavior? So why'd he do time in Club Fed?

 

[zengrifter]

One of my best memories of Vegas is walking thru Caesars and seeing him sitting alone at a table,a large stack of photos waiting to be autographed.There were about five people pimping his appearence and everyone just walked by,ignoring him.
Screw him,and his horse.

Not criminal behavior? So why'd he do time in Club Fed?

Did rose go to jail for that? zg

 

[ChefJJ]

I'm not sure about that; I believe these were illegal books he was betting with. But what I meant was: the way he is acting is the way a criminal acts when he is sorry he got caught, not when a person realizes he did wrong and is truly repentant. He'd have a better chance if he came completely clean to begin with, and then kept his mouth shut and let the sportswriters argue his case.


It's a tough question, I agree. No question his playing career was HOF-worthy. But Baseball made a decision and I believe they should stick with it.

The drug users are going to be an even tougher question. These guys shouldn't be compared to the greats of old who didn't need that crap. The problem is, it is so prevalent and so hard to prove, what are they going to do, give everyone an asterisk?

All your points are oh so true.

But with your last comment...that's where the hypocracy lies. MLB knew damn well of the drug abuse, especially in the 90's where the long ball was bringing people to the ballparks and to the tube to watch Sosa and McGwire blast them out of the park. They banned Rose for good reason--I've been in the Cinci clubhouse and I would venture to say that the plaque on the wall is in all of them around the country, saying where gambling will get you.



Shadroch, maybe you were at Caesars the same weekend...but on Sunday AM, there were a lot of people there. I don't want to get into a debate about it, but there are plenty of people who find the whole thing crap. He broke the rules, but the witchhunts that MLB carry out are just hilarious. Take Bonds for example...he's the guy on their radar, but just one guy. Nobody else on the juice? Sure. Thanks to Jose Canseco for blowing the lid off of all of it--although his motivation was $$$.

 

[shadroch]

Rose is at Caesars about 50-75 a year. I've been there when he has a few people,I just enjoyed seeing him suffering like that with no one.
A few years ago,I was up in Cooperstown for Phil Rizzuttos induction ceremony.Many HOFers were there signing by the Hall. Rose was set up in a seedy storefront he had rented for the weekend.
I think the guy is his own worse enemy.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Rose is at Caesars about 50-75 a year. I've been there when he has a few people,I just enjoyed seeing him suffering like that with no one.
A few years ago,I was up in Cooperstown for Phil Rizzuttos induction ceremony.Many HOFers were there signing by the Hall. Rose was set up in a seedy storefront he had rented for the weekend.
I think the guy is his own worse enemy.

If I saw Pete Rose at Caesar's, I don't think I could resist the temptation to go over, show him the baseball lines and ask him what he likes.

A few years ago, Rose was receiving an honor for his playing career and a reporter ambushed him with some gambling-scandal question. That was wrong. But the way he has acted, it's not like he didn't deserve it.

I'm a big Yankees fan and one of the few things in Vegas I really enjoy is sitting in a sports book with a free drink and a $20 bet in my hand, watching the game on a 10 foot screen. Something the players in the game cannot legally do. Maybe the rules should be relaxed a little bit, to allow the players to bet on any game that doesn't involve their team, as long as it is in a legal book, and only at low limits, just so they can have some fun with it.

 

[shadroch]

There was a story that circulated thru various media outlets a few years ago about Petey being overpaid on an exotic bet.It was quickly discovered and he was asked to return the money.Told that if he didn't return the money,he would be banned from that sports book and the two employee would most likely be fired,he kept the money.
This is the guy who changed his shirt every inning and then sold " the shirt he wore" while breaking the hit record to nine different people,

 

[ChefJJ]

There was a story that circulated thru various media outlets a few years ago about Petey being overpaid on an exotic bet.It was quickly discovered and he was asked to return the money.Told that if he didn't return the money,he would be banned from that sports book and the two employee would most likely be fired,he kept the money.
This is the guy who changed his shirt every inning and then sold " the shirt he wore" while breaking the hit record to nine different people,

I suppose he's the breakdown of the American moral fabric ?!? :devil:

 

[EasyRhino]

If I saw Pete Rose at Caesar's, I don't think I could resist the temptation to go over, show him the baseball lines and ask him what he likes.

Man, I just saw him this weekend, I wish I had read this first!

 

[shadroch]

I suppose he's the breakdown of the American moral fabric ?!? :devil:

No,I wouldn't go that far. I'd pin it more on people who excuse that sort of behavior.

 

[ChefJJ]

Aaah...zing! Nice one. The man is living with his demons...and the biggest punishment for someone with his accomplishments--not being able to achieve the highest honor of his craft, the HOF. The guy is relegated to signing books and stuff at casinos around the country...seems like punishment enough. You don't hear of too many athletes gambling on their sport.

What I like is the whole Cipher-guy thing on this discussion site...people are pissed about getting swindled by an online hustler who came up with this scheme to beat online casinos. People "invested" in it and lost money, and are pissed. And people who aren't even involved are pissed--what about accountability for falling for it?!? I dont' know much about it, but I asked ZG about it a few months back and was shut down. So I read here and there about the issue and find is hilarious about the guy who lost his mother's money on this scam. Are you freaking kidding me? Investing in the system?

I really digressed with that, but my point is this: Petey is doing his time by being shut out of the HOF and doing sideshow signings at casinos (very ironic). But when you've got bigger issues in the world like a war on oil, er, terror; the biggest crook at Enron dying on the slopes at vacation before he served his time; and so much more, Pete Rose and his apologists (me, you could say) are the downfall of America.

I love it--God Bless the Big Red Machine, but not the rest of the MLB teams!

good stuff

 

[gDGBD]

One of my best memories of Vegas is walking thru Caesars and seeing him sitting alone at a table,a large stack of photos waiting to be autographed.There were about five people pimping his appearence and everyone just walked by,ignoring him.
Screw him,and his horse.

Not criminal behavior? So why'd he do time in Club Fed?

Rose did time for income tax evasion.