Pro 1 High Stakes 21

[st3_raw]

Has anyone ever tried this betting strategy? It is available online as an ebook at highstakes21? The cover art is alluring and shiny But I am turned off by the lack of information on the site. There are a few "articles" that don't really say anything of any substance, and of course the perfunctory promises of success. I am also turned off that the author doesn't say his last name. I am, however, MOSTLY intrigued about his claim that the system can bring players to the professional level--this is claim most non-counting systems openly do not make i.e., most non-counting systems I've come across stress that they are for the recreational, non-pro. $41 isn't much to spend at all, but if it's just another silly betting strategy, as good as any, then I'd rather buy $41 small vanilla frosties (has anyone tried those yet?!).

 

[Sonny]

Your skepticism is well founded. The website is very vague and does not offer any insight into the game (or the system!) at all. You know you are being scammed when the person won’t tell you what you are buying! In any case, I think the following quote says it all:

"What you will get with High Stakes 21 is a general knowledge of the game, as well as detailed information on the absolute essentials of blackjack. You will also get the most powerful progressions system ever developed, the PRO-1, for beating the game of blackjack."

This system is absolutely bogus. Don't waste your money on it.

-Sonny-

 

[Dyepaintball12]

You'd just be throwing your money away buying it, then throwing it away using it.

 

[sagefr0g]

You'd just be throwing your money away buying it, then throwing it away using it.

yep the ole double whammy :yikes:

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[dacium]

LOL I love this part:

". The contents of this book were taught in a classroom for teams of blackjack players who were truly serious about winning. They were dedicated to finding the best system. Many were tired of counting and still losing. This is where HS21 comes in."

 

[st3_raw]

Thanks guys. I thought I'd offer my favorite quote as well:

"Counting cards is based on future events, and does not incorporate the flow of previous cards to show tell you the right amount to bet."

So have you tried the vanilla frosty? Try dipping a chicken nugget in the frosty (original or vanilla). Just try it!

:cool2: <---Has anyone ever said to themselves, "How exactly am I feeling right now...happy? silly? devilish? Like Robin Hood after he hasn't bathed in 2 weeks, and for some reason has a hotdog sticking out of his head?"

 

[blackjackpro]

Hi,

Love the forum.

I have personal experience with the PRO-1. I was using it in MN, Wisconsin and at the Midwest Indian Casinos with a buddy of mine. The book was originally sold as a paperback but the info was the same. The cover has gotten much better and the site now is pretty cool - and the ebook is very easy to read and download. As for the system being a joke...far from it. It is now the only system I use and has been for a while now. Can't see myself using anything else.

I had recommended it to a few mates from England and Australia, and they have made a ton of money with it. I know one guy at a forum could not stop talking about it. I think I paid like $40 for it, but using it I have easily made over $30,000 playing off and on for the last few years. Only 1 time have I been beaten up playing with it - but that was because the run of cards I was having would have killed any system. For the week, I was still up $1,600 - even after the loss. For those who have played with it, they love it. For those who just look it over and believe the people who have never used it because it is a progression style strategy, well - your loss. I am not going to say it is the " Best " system out there - but I have not found any better...and I have played with a lot of them. I say give it a shot. I mean, it's a pretty cheap way to check it out. And if you have as much success as my friends and I have had...your money will not be wasted.

 

[ihate17]

Troll!

Someone posts a message about a bogus system and boom folks, we got a new member to our forum.

ihate17

 

[sagefr0g]

Hi,

Love the forum.

I have personal experience with the PRO-1. I was using it in MN, Wisconsin and at the Midwest Indian Casinos with a buddy of mine. The book was originally sold as a paperback but the info was the same. The cover has gotten much better and the site now is pretty cool - and the ebook is very easy to read and download. As for the system being a joke...far from it. It is now the only system I use and has been for a while now. Can't see myself using anything else.

I had recommended it to a few mates from England and Australia, and they have made a ton of money with it. I know one guy at a forum could not stop talking about it. I think I paid like $40 for it, but using it I have easily made over $30,000 playing off and on for the last few years. Only 1 time have I been beaten up playing with it - but that was because the run of cards I was having would have killed any system. For the week, I was still up $1,600 - even after the loss. For those who have played with it, they love it. For those who just look it over and believe the people who have never used it because it is a progression style strategy, well - your loss. I am not going to say it is the " Best " system out there - but I have not found any better...and I have played with a lot of them. I say give it a shot. I mean, it's a pretty cheap way to check it out. And if you have as much success as my friends and I have had...your money will not be wasted.

uhmm hey why don't cha give us some pointers on this great system. you know some specifics of how you apply it and so forth.
hey we would be glad to explain our viewpoints here about advantage play blackjack.

 

[blackjackpro]

I am truly amazed at the level of hate and almost outright vengence when someone admits they have won without counting. I have been the mod of a lot of forums, and it seems like the ones who are the most spiteful are the ones who think they are so superior that they refuse to acknowlge anyone else. I played for about a year with the plain basic strategy and did the flat betting. Then I read and used the World's Greatest Blackjack Book with the Hi-OPT 1 and Hi-OPT 2. From then on, I kept reading books from Uston, Patterson and some of the others. Blackjack For Blood was one of my favorites and I loved it. I did some shuffle tracking and practiced it to no end. Doing this with a level 2 count and a big bankroll, I had marginal success...but generally it was not as favorable as I wanted. And with the spreads the way they were, it was much more difficult. Some of the rules were also in place where you could only make a certain low level bet in the middle of the shoe. I then talked with a few people that went to Vegas on a regular basis with a $ 2,000 a day bankroll for a week and did ok.

I call blackjack systems the Star Trek or Beer or Music Phoenomenon. Take any show that someone raves about...and you could easily rip it apart as stupid or juvenile or all in all make fun of until the person who is a fan get's pissed. Same with beer or music - or anything else for that matter It is so subjective and the user can be taken to task for why they love it. " You like that kind of beer ! ? " or " You actually like ABBA ? What are you, a moran ? " Anything can be turned...and that is one reason I despise politics so much. My point is this. if someone says they like something, and have had success with it, don't automatically make a blanket and negative statment and dismiss it...just becuase you have a different opinion on it. I know people who do ok counting...others who can never seem to win...so everything is subjective. I simply know what has worked for me. And please don't call me a shill. I have been a contributing member and mod at a number of forums over the years. Just becuase I have a limited number of posts at this forum, does not make me an instant idiot or un-qualified to make an opinion on a subject I know about from personal experience.

Blackjack should be about learning and helping each other win - and that is the best thing we can do for each other. Take as much of the Casino's money as possible as they provide us some incredible environments, some great hotels and some amazing food - all as we take their money. That should be the goal of every blackjack player.

 

[QFIT]

How to spot a scam:

1. Articles on a scam site will show that the author does not understand BJ very well. For example, articles that talk up such myths as other players affecting your cards, looking at dealer/player win ratio and other voodoo.
2. Look for posts from new posters claiming that anyone critical of such systems is hateful, spiteful, vengeful, close-minded, etc.
3. Look for system 'proofs' that involve empirical evidence.
4. Search the Internet and see how many odd plugs there are for the system. For example, an Amazon review for Fred Renzey's book that is not a review at all but an ad for this positive progression system.

 

[blackjackpro]

Firestorm ! I knew it ! These counting sites are so alike - it disgusts me but does not surprise me. QFIT - what makes you so superior and the master of all ? What proof do you have that I don't know blackjack very well ? And, why don't I have just as much right to an opinion as you do ? Have you ever been to these sites like - youtube.com or liveleak.com - where people leave the most insane comments. I remember a time where blackjack was civil and ideas were actually welcomed and not so passively dismissed with such a personal dis-regard. You have a right to your opinion. But do not assume because my posts are limited, my abilities and knowledge are small. Teach me, Oh Great One! What system do you use and how successful are you ? I want to learn...so if you can take convince me you have a better way to win...I am 100% open to it. PM me...so it does not look like you are " Shilling " for some system. We would hate to think that your opinion had no merit simply because you suggest it. If you have a serious and viable system that is a consistent winner - and no online playing crap - then PM me and I would love to open my mind.

 

[QFIT]

What proof do you have that I don't know blackjack very well ?

Hmm, I was clearly talking about the author of the strategy. It appears he is now admitting that he is the author.

In any case, his response is just nasty rhetoric. What do we have to do with youtube? Where did I say was the "master of all?" And yet still not one single statement describing why this system should work. Progression systems have been known to fail for centuries. And Las Vegas remains the fastest growing city in the nation.

 

[nc-tom]

Firestorm ! I knew it ! These counting sites are so alike - it disgusts me but does not surprise me. QFIT - what makes you so superior and the master of all ? What proof do you have that I don't know blackjack very well ? And, why don't I have just as much right to an opinion as you do ? Have you ever been to these sites like - youtube.com or liveleak.com - where people leave the most insane comments. I remember a time where blackjack was civil and ideas were actually welcomed and not so passively dismissed with such a personal dis-regard. You have a right to your opinion. But do not assume because my posts are limited, my abilities and knowledge are small. Teach me, Oh Great One! What system do you use and how successful are you ? I want to learn...so if you can take convince me you have a better way to win...I am 100% open to it. PM me...so it does not look like you are " Shilling " for some system. We would hate to think that your opinion had no merit simply because you suggest it. If you have a serious and viable system that is a consistent winner - and no online playing crap - then PM me and I would love to open my mind.

BJP please no one is questioning your knowledge of the game or the fact that you have won money with this system thats great. But dont try to tell us that this is the way to play BJ for the long term, most of us here know it is not. Progression systems :whip: in the words of Arnold Snyder are not bad there just worthless. The math just does not add up it has been proven over and over again. Works for you great Ill take a pass.

 

[Sonny]

QFIT - what makes you so superior and the master of all ?

If you knew who/what Qfit is then you would understand. The fact that you don’t know about his decades of research working with some of the greatest BJ minds and his development of the leading training and simulation software in the world only shows that you haven’t seriously studied the game.

And, why don't I have just as much right to an opinion as you do ?

You have every right to express your opinion. Just be aware that centuries of research have shown that betting progressions are worthless. We’re not talking about a difference of opinion here, we’re talking about cold hard facts. Believe whatever you want but don’t expect us to jump on the bandwagon until we see proof. Insults are not going to convince us.

If you have a serious and viable system that is a consistent winner - and no online playing crap - then PM me and I would love to open my mind.

Why not read a few of the posts here before throwing insults around? This site is full of posts about legitimate ways to beat blackjack. We discuss everything from card counting to shuffle tracking, cut-off tracking, front loading, sequencing, cutting/steering, side bet strategies, backline strategy, team play, sequencing, couponomy, scavenger BJ, comp counting, BJ variants (Spanish 21, SuperFun 21, BJ Switch, etc.) and anything else we can think of. Maybe you should research what this site is all about before you start insulting everybody on it. You might even learn something.

-Sonny-

 

[davidmcclung]

I for one am interested:

Please share with us a brief summary of the betting strategy, dont worry about copyrights as they do not cover betting strategies I can assure you..