Progression system that works the most ?

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mikeinjersey

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I know there's no real proven blackjack method that's suppose to make you win over and over again except for maybe card counting.

But are there certain progression systems that have a higher success rate over others ? This one guy I see frequently at a certain casino says he starts at a $10 table & starts with $10....if he wins he goes to $30 (3 times that amount) and I forget where he goes after that.. but he seems like he's been winning most of the time. Anybody know which progression he's using ?

I'm the opposite and use a negative progression while starting with a high bank roll.

example... If i'm at a $10 table , i'll start with $500.

Once I hit my goal of a $100 a day, i'm out of there. Sometimes even just $50.

I only play if i'm 1 on 1 vs. the dealer.

I always play minimum bet....if I lose..then minimum bet again. Then I inch up little by little if I continue losing. If I lose 4 hands in a row... i'll play 2 hands at minimum bet.

If I get into a deep hole, I usually switch to Plan B , which is a more aggressive (but still somewhat conservative method) ... i'll go off of patterns & how many facecards I see in a row... if I see a ton of facecards all of a sudden.....i'll stay at minimum bet... but if I don't see a lot of them , i'll increase my bet higher than usual. So its not really card counting , but patterns.

Also, what do you guys think about just counting the facecards (10's) in a deck ? I estimate about 85 facecards (10's) in a 6 deck shoe. (before the cut card)

Also (#2) do you feel negative progressions are more favored over positive progressions ? (betting higher when you win....compared to betting higher when you lose)

sorry for the million questions, any expertise is appreciated.

Im currently on a 15 session winning streak with my method above...but have run into several close calls during the streak.
 
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johndoe

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The best progression system is the one that causes you to bet the minimum possible, always.

So if you must play with these strategies, set your stop loss to $10 and go home if you reach it. And set your stop win at $10 and go home when you reach it. I guarantee that other than just betting $0 always, this is the very best progression system possible.
 
Ferretnparrot

Ferretnparrot

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A progressive betting system will have higher session win rates as the sessions get shorter, one way to make sessions shorter is to bet larger so that you may run out of money faster, or hit your winning goal while playing less hands.

The fewer hands you play, the higher your chances of winning, so when you lose, you should increase your bet dramatically and go for the kill on one hand or bust out trying and then go home. as opposed to increasing it slightly and playing numerous hands. In this regard, trippling your bet after a loss will have a small effect on how often you win, however, you will lose more money over time during your "carreer"

So to recap,
3x bet after loss=sessions win more often+lose more money over time
2x bet after loss=sessions win less than the above, but lose less money over time.

That is how you can manipulate your chances of winning using as progressive system, in the manor you are asking about, you will lose money over time regardless.

Even better, is to not increase your bet at all, though you wil have dissapointing session win rates, you will lose the smallest amount of money over time
 
picasso

picasso

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Question|1: I do not count yet, but I guess counting 10's is better than not counting at all.

Question #2: negative progressions, best by test !



Here are examples of two progressions I use:

Progression 1:

1) must be played at a full table
2) flat bet and keep track of units lost
3) increase your bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands

I add 1$ for every unit lost +

Hands lost at table:
5 : I add 1 extra dollar
6 : I add 2 more dollars
7 : I add 3 more dollars

Once you win your bigger bet, start all over.

Progression 2:

Example, 10$ table, max bet 500$, negative progression

Flat bet until you lose, then:
10-11-13-16-20-25-31-38-46-55-65-76-88-101-115-130-146-163-181-200-220-241-263-286-310-335-361-388-416-445-475

Win anywhere going up this progression, start again at 10$. If you lose a double (triple etc) skip one or more steps.

Good luck !
 
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mikeinjersey

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3) increase your bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands
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I refuse to play from now on if i can't get 1 on 1 vs. the dealer..... if I do have 1 on 1...and somebody sits down. I'll play till I lose 4 hands in a row, then i'll step out of the show & hope the other guy will get wiped out soon....so I can be 1 on 1 again. I play only in high limit....so getting 1 on 1 is pretty easy as long as you go there during the right times.

I've noticed when there's more people at the table, the chances of 1 person at the table losing 8 or more hands in a row is higher....than if playing 1 on 1. I've witnessed it & been a victim of it several times. While 1 vs 1 , I almost never lose.

Your numbers strategy seems a bit overly paranoid.. I've never lost more than 12 hands in a row in my 6 years of playing. Yours is spread out over 31 hands. :eek: (maybe your being sarcastic...hehe)
 
picasso

picasso

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Your numbers strategy seems a bit overly paranoid.. I've never lost more than 12 hands in a row in my 6 years of playing. Yours is spread out over 31 hands. :eek: (maybe your being sarcastic...hehe)
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Beat you; I've lost 18 in a row excluding pushes (1 on 1) :eek:
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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mikeinjersey said:
I refuse to play from now on if i can't get 1 on 1 vs. the dealer..... if I do have 1 on 1...and somebody sits down. I'll play till I lose 4 hands in a row, then i'll step out of the show & hope the other guy will get wiped out soon....so I can be 1 on 1 again. I play only in high limit....so getting 1 on 1 is pretty easy as long as you go there during the right times.

I've noticed when there's more people at the table, the chances of 1 person at the table losing 8 or more hands in a row is higher....than if playing 1 on 1. I've witnessed it & been a victim of it several times. While 1 vs 1 , I almost never lose.

Your numbers strategy seems a bit overly paranoid.. I've never lost more than 12 hands in a row in my 6 years of playing. Yours is spread out over 31 hands. :eek: (maybe your being sarcastic...hehe)
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Classic textbook..... V-O-O-O-D-O-O-O. z:)g
 
aslan

aslan

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picasso said:
Question|1: I do not count yet, but I guess counting 10's is better than not counting at all.

Question #2: negative progressions, best by test !



Here are examples of two progressions I use:

Progression 1:

1) must be played at a full table
2) flat bet and keep track of units lost
3) increase your bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands

I add 1$ for every unit lost +

Hands lost at table:
5 : I add 1 extra dollar
6 : I add 2 more dollars
7 : I add 3 more dollars

Once you win your bigger bet, start all over.

Progression 2:

Example, 10$ table, max bet 500$, negative progression

Flat bet until you lose, then:
10-11-13-16-20-25-31-38-46-55-65-76-88-101-115-130-146-163-181-200-220-241-263-286-310-335-361-388-416-445-475

Win anywhere going up this progression, start again at 10$. If you lose a double (triple etc) skip one or more steps.

Good luck !
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Good luck you will need. I guess if you make it circuitous enough, convoluted, intricate, serpentine, devious, winding, mysterious, enigmatic, obfuscatory, you can cover up the obvious fact that it doesn't do anything to alter the house edge, nor can it lessen the player's disadvantage, but you will feel quite scientific and intelligent as you apply all its little quirks , its quasi-calculated increases and non-analytically determined decreases, as you await the coming of the sacred flow that will launch you into the placid lake of winning blackjack. :grin::whip::whip::whip: :whip:

Aslan, you are a bad man!!! Let them lose their cash--what's it to you? :devil: :whip::whip::whip::whip:
 
QFIT

QFIT

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mikeinjersey said:
But are there certain progression systems that have a higher success rate over others ?
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All progression systems have the same odds. The best is to flat-bet the minimum.
 
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21gunsalute

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Try this progression: 0, 0, 0 (flatbet $0 every hand)












Then "progress" to:

















brag, brag, brag, boast, boast, boast, lie , lie, lie.












Oh wait, I see you're already an expert at this system.
 
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Billy C1

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DreamerInjersey?

Isn't this the same guy that thinks several female dealers want him? Perhaps a more fitting username would be "dreamer".

BillyC1
 
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21gunsalute

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Billy C1 said:
Isn't this the same guy that thinks several female dealers want him? Perhaps a more fitting username would be "dreamer".

BillyC1
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Just glance through his posting history. Full of contradictions, always backtracking, bragging, boasting and making unreal claims about much he's won and how often he wins. He's always promoting some type of progression that can't possibly work. And when I say can't possibly work I mean the only way you could come out even 1 unit ahead by using his system is if you won upwards of 95% of all hands played!
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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21gunsalute said:
Just glance through his posting history. Full of contradictions, always backtracking, bragging, boasting and making unreal claims about much he's won and how often he wins. He's always promoting some type of progression that can't possibly work.
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Its a Jersey thing. zg

 
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SBJ

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Just keep doubling up... you'll come good.... in the end.

You might have to go to the bloke sitting next to you to borrow some chips, the cash machine, the bank manager, the government, the EU, the IMF and there is always the fail safe - the printing machine in your garage. :grin:
 
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blackjacktilt

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Think long term

If you are just trying to get lucky and quit, then progressively bet away my friends.
I respect the opinions of others, but math is math and fact is fact.
 
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