Question about Basic strategy with card counting
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you will almost NEVER reach a count so bad that you shouldn't double on 11, but you do have the right idea, that different counts mean different decisions. most of the deviations from BS occur in high counts. Insurance being the most important of the I-18.
in terms of beating a game, bet ramping is more important than BS deviations, because as Sonny pointed out, you'll play BS 80+% of the time. But making the correct "index plays" can have a big impact on top of bet ramping.
in terms of beating a game, bet ramping is more important than BS deviations, because as Sonny pointed out, you'll play BS 80+% of the time. But making the correct "index plays" can have a big impact on top of bet ramping.
well, if you're smart, and that is the assumption/benefit of the doubt i generally try to abide by, if the count tanks that bad, it's either time to take a piss, or to refuse to bet on the hand. but i guess not all of us are capable of making that decision.
Kasi, only in your world, do negative index plays matter. for the rest of us, we only care about the first 20 or so index plays, and about 80+% of them are referred to as positive indicies. we make them in high counts, where we hit less and double more. rather than in your world, where i imagine the TC is always -10 and you're hitting hard 15s against 5's and hitting your 10's against a dealer 6. :/ i'll keep my eye out for players like you, as a sign that the shoe is "cold."
Kasi, only in your world, do negative index plays matter. for the rest of us, we only care about the first 20 or so index plays, and about 80+% of them are referred to as positive indicies. we make them in high counts, where we hit less and double more. rather than in your world, where i imagine the TC is always -10 and you're hitting hard 15s against 5's and hitting your 10's against a dealer 6. :/ i'll keep my eye out for players like you, as a sign that the shoe is "cold."
lol i'm not sure what Kasi does but i think i'm going to find out. but i know he likes making index plays especially if it upsets other players at the table lol.
but Mimosine your describing the world i live in. although i do try an escape the negative parts of it on occasion. and lol i got a good excuse too cause at my age one has to pee about every five minutes or so. being the case i've been sorely tempted to hit hard 15 against the dealer 5 but have never done it. i doubt i could ever bring myself to do the 10v6 though lol.
but it's my world for the most part, yep thats just the way it is for the joints i'm able to excercise 99% of my play in. so i'd seriously be interested in a I18 for cold shoes.
hey Zen some of us are just happy with a even the remotest chance of making a score
but Mimosine your describing the world i live in. although i do try an escape the negative parts of it on occasion. and lol i got a good excuse too cause at my age one has to pee about every five minutes or so. being the case i've been sorely tempted to hit hard 15 against the dealer 5 but have never done it. i doubt i could ever bring myself to do the 10v6 though lol.
but it's my world for the most part, yep thats just the way it is for the joints i'm able to excercise 99% of my play in. so i'd seriously be interested in a I18 for cold shoes.
hey Zen some of us are just happy with a even the remotest chance of making a score
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importance of negative and positive indices
Say you play all because perhaps that is your style or after hitting the boys room on 3 straight negative shoes you figure a 4th might be overdoing it in a house with no mid-shoe entry. So the count is negative again and if your knowledge of negative indices is limited, your mistakes will be minimum hits to your overall EV because you are betting the table minimum on each hand.
The positive indices are far more important because here your bets are much higher. So when someone here says they know far more positve indices than negative ones it is not necessarily because there are more positve ones, it is because the positive ones are far more valuable.
I know all these indices for true counts that run from +1 thru+10, but ask me what to do at a true count of -5 and the best I can tell you make a cell phone call, look frustrated needing to wait for the new shoe (new shoe = new hope) or just go to the restroom.
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Say you play all because perhaps that is your style or after hitting the boys room on 3 straight negative shoes you figure a 4th might be overdoing it in a house with no mid-shoe entry. So the count is negative again and if your knowledge of negative indices is limited, your mistakes will be minimum hits to your overall EV because you are betting the table minimum on each hand.
The positive indices are far more important because here your bets are much higher. So when someone here says they know far more positve indices than negative ones it is not necessarily because there are more positve ones, it is because the positive ones are far more valuable.
I know all these indices for true counts that run from +1 thru+10, but ask me what to do at a true count of -5 and the best I can tell you make a cell phone call, look frustrated needing to wait for the new shoe (new shoe = new hope) or just go to the restroom.
ihate17