question abt the dealer and player odds

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xLioneLx

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Hi,

Card counting's purpose is to give you a higher chance of winning. Assuming the deck is full of tens, aces, all the high value cards. You as the player will have a higher chance to win. However, doesn't that also mean that the dealer also have a higher chance to win as well? Both dealer and player draw cards from the same deck. Therefore, does card counting still work to your advantage?

If so, can someone enlighten me with regards to the question above?

Thanks in advance!
 
SleightOfHand

SleightOfHand

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xLioneLx said:
Hi,

Card counting's purpose is to give you a higher chance of winning. Assuming the deck is full of tens, aces, all the high value cards. You as the player will have a higher chance to win. However, doesn't that also mean that the dealer also have a higher chance to win as well? Both dealer and player draw cards from the same deck. Therefore, does card counting still work to your advantage?

If so, can someone enlighten me with regards to the question above?

Thanks in advance!
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Yes. However, we get bonuses for blackjacks when the dealer doesn't. If it was only tens and aces, BS would be to split everything.
 
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duanedibley

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xLioneLx said:
Hi,

Card counting's purpose is to give you a higher chance of winning. Assuming the deck is full of tens, aces, all the high value cards. You as the player will have a higher chance to win. However, doesn't that also mean that the dealer also have a higher chance to win as well? Both dealer and player draw cards from the same deck. Therefore, does card counting still work to your advantage?

If so, can someone enlighten me with regards to the question above?

Thanks in advance!
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Your chance to win is actually almost the same at higher counts. Your edge comes from more naturals paying 3:2, and profitable double downs and splits. The dealer still wins more than you.

See this chart:

http://www.blackjackincolor.com/truecount5.htm

You don't start winning more hands than the dealer until a true count of +17!
 
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Kasi

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xLioneLx said:
Card counting's purpose is to give you a higher chance of winning. Assuming the deck is full of tens, aces, all the high value cards. You as the player will have a higher chance to win. However, doesn't that also mean that the dealer also have a higher chance to win as well?
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Card-counting will not change how many hands you win. Even God cannot change that.

Card-counting changes how you can identify the hands in which you have an expected advantage.

Therefore, by betting more in the hands you have an expected advantage, and less in the hands that you don't have an advantage, you will hopefully be creating an avg bet over all the hands you play that creates an avg adv over the house. Despite most hands being played at a disadvantage.

It's a weighted avg if you see what I mean.

It's not how often one may win, a BS player will win just as often in a high count as a low count as a CC will if he only flat-bet. A BS player just won't know when that is happening. It's how much you bet when you do have the adv compared to when you don't. A CC knows when he has an advantage, how often he has that particular advantage and how much to bet at any of those points to maximize the growth of his roll becasue there's not much point in saving your max bet for a +TC20 count if it won't happen in your lifetime.

Hope that helps a little.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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xLioneLx said:
Card counting's purpose is to give you a higher chance of winning. Assuming the deck is full of tens, aces, all the high value cards. You as the player will have a higher chance to win. However, doesn't that also mean that the dealer also have a higher chance to win as well?
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higher chance of winning more money, not necessarily winning more often.
the winning more money is a result of betting more money when the likelyhood of getting snappers, sucessful double downs and winning insurance bets is best. the dealer doesn't get payed 3:2 for blackjacks, the player does, the dealer can't double down, the player can, the dealer can't make insurance bets, the player can. a counter getting more money riding on bets where snappers are likely, double downs are most successful and insurance bets win more often is how more money is won even though the ratio of wins to loss's stays about the same.

note the example statistics below, that pattern of 'normal hands' losing money and double downs, insurance bets, and blackjacks winning money persists when basic strategy and card counting with proper betting are applied over time. the payoff for those bets is greater than for 'normal hands'.
 

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Renzey

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xLioneLx said:
Assuming the deck is full of tens, aces, all the high value cards. You as the player will have a higher chance to win. However, doesn't that also mean that the dealer also have a higher chance to win as well? Both dealer and player draw cards from the same deck. Therefore, does card counting still work to your advantage?
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Just get out a pinochle deck (all 9's thru Aces) and play 100 hands of blackjack with it. Always take Insurance and Even Money, always split 10's against a 9, and always double with A/9 against a 9. You'll begin to see what's happening.
 
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