Since all the talk about Spanish 21 lately here. Would it be possible to modify your KISS III count for playing Spanish 21 ? I use the Kiss III count know. If it could be done would it be possible for you to run some sims and give us your insight as to why it would or would not work. Thanks in advance.
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I have the same question, but...
for Mentor count.
BTW, my training is coming along nicely. Basic strategy
is under control, with 12/18 of the I18 indices. Just now
getting to the last 6 indices. Also counting down a deck
has improved from 90 seconds to 45 seconds.
Still a way to go, but feeling much more comfortable with
BS and counting.
Is this I18 list OK?
16v9, 16v10, 15v10,13v2, 13v3, 12v2,3,4,5,6
11vA, 10v10, 10vA, 9v2, 9v7, XXv5, XXv6, and lastly Ins.
Thanks for all the info and encouragement on this site.
BJinNJ
for Mentor count.
BTW, my training is coming along nicely. Basic strategy
is under control, with 12/18 of the I18 indices. Just now
getting to the last 6 indices. Also counting down a deck
has improved from 90 seconds to 45 seconds.
Still a way to go, but feeling much more comfortable with
BS and counting.
Is this I18 list OK?
16v9, 16v10, 15v10,13v2, 13v3, 12v2,3,4,5,6
11vA, 10v10, 10vA, 9v2, 9v7, XXv5, XXv6, and lastly Ins.
Thanks for all the info and encouragement on this site.
BJinNJ
For those wanting to practice, HiLo (which is used in an unbalanced mode for SP21) is the basic count. It has a BE of .956
There is a 2-level count called the SP21 "kat" Count:
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T A
1 1 2 2 1 0 0 0 -1 -2
It has a BE of .983
3 things about SP21:
1) Basic strategy is far more complicated than regular BJ strat. There are also lots of rule variations and differences. Find the EXACT rule set you will be playing, and use that basic strategy. Regular BJ basic strat will get you killed in SP21, and SP21 basic strat is not as straightforward.
2) When counting, departures from basic strategy are VERY important. Regular BJ 20% of the profit comes from basic strategy departures, in SP21 close to 50% of the profit comes from using indexs. So you are going to need software to generate indices (there aren't any for the 2-level count at this point) and you need to know lots and lots of plays (you are leaving a lot more money on the table if you are just using an I18 at SP21).
3) A lot of the profit for now is because you can SPREAD HUGE. The pit is not watching the SP21 game. 99.99% of the people play like monkeys. The casino is not worried about people beating the game. Forget 1:8, or 1:12, or 1:16 spreads -- spread 1:50 -- no one is going to notice. Of course, with a huge spread, you need a large bankroll. To really make money you need to start throwing out the purple chips (and hopefully being able to double and re-double).
There is a 2-level count called the SP21 "kat" Count:
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T A
1 1 2 2 1 0 0 0 -1 -2
It has a BE of .983
3 things about SP21:
1) Basic strategy is far more complicated than regular BJ strat. There are also lots of rule variations and differences. Find the EXACT rule set you will be playing, and use that basic strategy. Regular BJ basic strat will get you killed in SP21, and SP21 basic strat is not as straightforward.
2) When counting, departures from basic strategy are VERY important. Regular BJ 20% of the profit comes from basic strategy departures, in SP21 close to 50% of the profit comes from using indexs. So you are going to need software to generate indices (there aren't any for the 2-level count at this point) and you need to know lots and lots of plays (you are leaving a lot more money on the table if you are just using an I18 at SP21).
3) A lot of the profit for now is because you can SPREAD HUGE. The pit is not watching the SP21 game. 99.99% of the people play like monkeys. The casino is not worried about people beating the game. Forget 1:8, or 1:12, or 1:16 spreads -- spread 1:50 -- no one is going to notice. Of course, with a huge spread, you need a large bankroll. To really make money you need to start throwing out the purple chips (and hopefully being able to double and re-double).
"Do you know the PE of regular Hi-Lo vs the Kat count?"
That is hard to say, or I guess, it depends.
The effect of removal on individual cards which PE is based on, changes significantly due to rule changes, so it depends on which rule-set you are playing against to say what the PE is.
Let's just say that against bad rules you can obtain a 1.5% advantage, and with good rules, an advanced count, and a full set of indices a little over 2.5% advantage can be obtained. Compare that with those people still trying to grind away a regular BJ 1% advantage against 8-deck shoes.
That is hard to say, or I guess, it depends.
The effect of removal on individual cards which PE is based on, changes significantly due to rule changes, so it depends on which rule-set you are playing against to say what the PE is.
Let's just say that against bad rules you can obtain a 1.5% advantage, and with good rules, an advanced count, and a full set of indices a little over 2.5% advantage can be obtained. Compare that with those people still trying to grind away a regular BJ 1% advantage against 8-deck shoes.