roulette computers

[Jack_Black]

Has anyone heard of this guy? http://www.roulettecomputers.com I can’t seem to figure out if it’s the real deal or not. He is very adamant about proving everyone wrong. Every post I read from him is very detailed and he goes on for pages for each response. If it’s a scam, he sure does work hard at it. If he works this hard for a scam that sometimes works, he could be making more at a real job, or at least playing BJ. The website shows that you can get a demonstration appointment if you like, but it's in Australia. They also have live support over the phone and on skype. I read somewhere that went to jail for fraud on something else, but these days on the internet, you can’t trust any kind of info.

 

[RJT]

Has anyone heard of this guy? http://www.roulettecomputers.com I can’t seem to figure out if it’s the real deal or not. He is very adamant about proving everyone wrong. Every post I read from him is very detailed and he goes on for pages for each response. If it’s a scam, he sure does work hard at it. If he works this hard for a scam that sometimes works, he could be making more at a real job, or at least playing BJ. The website shows that you can get a demonstration appointment if you like, but it's in Australia. They also have live support over the phone and on skype. I read somewhere that went to jail for fraud on something else, but these days on the internet, you can’t trust any kind of info.

It's a scam - he's well known. If he really had a working device he could make far more money using than selling it.

RJT.

 

[Jack_Black]

well known where? has anyone in Australia witnessed the demo he offers?

 

[RJT]

Well known across the community - already barred on this board under a few different names, quite possibly his own main competition ect ect
This has all been covered before and i'm sure when Sonny's back on Monday he'll post the links to the relevant threads.
Oh and demonstrations are easy to fake when you set up the wheel that's used....

RJT.

 

[RJT]

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/genuinewinner.htm

EDIT - just to be clear this site was set up by a competeting vendor who is another seller of roulette beating computers and just as scam worth. It just shows the non-sense that's been going on for years.

RJT.

 

[zengrifter]

It's a scam - he's well known. If he really had a working device he could make far more money using than selling it.

Au contrair - the cheating devices sold here appear to be real. He strikes me as someone who'd rather sell and service the cheating devices than risk actually using them -
http://www.roulettecomputers.com

 

[RJT]

Au contrair - the cheating devices sold here appear to be real. He strikes me as someone who'd rather sell and service the cheating devices than risk actually using them -
http://www.roulettecomputers.com

I think we've had this conversation before ZG - take some time and google it. There's more than enough contraversy surrounding these two tw*ts to put any sensible investor off. If you're really convinced however, feel free to front the money to invest in this machine and bankroll its use i'll get a group together to use it. We'll want paid an hourly rate however, not based on wins...

RJT.

 

[zengrifter]

Okay then, who does have the real tech for roulette?
A cursory Google search indicates that Stefan's tech is the real deal.
And so is Mark Howe's. What am I missing? zg

real roulette computers fake

 

[RJT]

Okay then, who does have the real tech for roulette?
A cursory Google search indicates that Stefan's tech is the real deal.
And so is Mark Howe's. What am I missing? zg

real roulette computers fake

zg - both of these guy's have been selling this **** for years and i've yet to hear one knowledgable player say anything good about ethier salesman. As to who has the tech - there are a few groups out there that do i'm sure, i don't know anyone personally. I'm confident that said groups design their own however.

RJT.

 

[RJT]

Okay then, who does have the real tech for roulette?
A cursory Google search indicates that Stefan's tech is the real deal.
And so is Mark Howe's. What am I missing? zg

real roulette computers fake

I'm a little confused by the conclusions that you drew from your google search zg - the first link is SH saying MH is a fake and the second link says both are fake - how does this equate to indicating that Stefan's tech is the real deal?

RJT.

 

[JSTAT]

Has anyone heard of this guy? http://www.roulettecomputers.com I can’t seem to figure out if it’s the real deal or not. He is very adamant about proving everyone wrong. Every post I read from him is very detailed and he goes on for pages for each response. If it’s a scam, he sure does work hard at it. If he works this hard for a scam that sometimes works, he could be making more at a real job, or at least playing BJ. The website shows that you can get a demonstration appointment if you like, but it's in Australia. They also have live support over the phone and on skype. I read somewhere that went to jail for fraud on something else, but these days on the internet, you can’t trust any kind of info.

Look for the dealer signature on their YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E67h-sa48QA and discover that the ball lands about 180 degrees (hitting the deflector at times) from release. Freeze the video at release and use the green zero as the reference point to track everything without the aid of a computer. Every roulette/Big Six wheel dealer has a signature that can result in a sector that can be predicted. The casinos use different weight of balls every spin to thwart smart roulette players. The Big Six wheel can be beaten with the same method, if the dealer is just going through the motions. The casinos counter at roulette by changing the weight of the balls every spin, or advising the dealer to change up the speed of the ball and wheel. It's better using this method than being busted in a Las Vegas casino with a electronic device and serving time in jail.

 

[Jack_Black]

Here's the thread that got me thinking about it. It's just crazy the amount of time and effort he put in to pulling this "scam" Well, the verdicts not out, for me anyway. I mean, it is technically possible to devise a device that will clock wheel speed for you. so how can you tell the crap computers from the real deal?

http://www.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1220826187/s-0/

 

[mark.walters2]

Here's the thread that got me thinking about it. It's just crazy the amount of time and effort he put in to pulling this "scam" Well, the verdicts not out, for me anyway. I mean, it is technically possible to devise a device that will clock wheel speed for you. so how can you tell the crap computers from the real deal?

http://www.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1220826187/s-0/

Trust me, I did my fair share of research into this subject. There are many people who have been scammed by SH and MH.

Theoretically, it is possible. But not by these two nuts

 

[Jack_Black]

If it is possible, then who's got the good units? recommendations?

 

[Kasi]

If it is possible, then who's got the good units? recommendations?

I have no idea about the posters in question and whether their "systems" would work or not. I didn't read any of it.

It could be, like ZenG said, it works but they choose to just sell it rather than take the risk of going to jail. Makes sense to me.

I have no idea why some posters like RJT would be willing to use such equipment, whether it works or not, exchanging an hourly wage vs the chances of going to jail. I probably mis-read his post to some degree lol.

It is known that such equipment exists and does work. Look at the 3 guys who ripped off the Ritz in England in 2004 playing roulette using an embedded laser in a cell-phone that was beamed back to a van outside that had the computer that could quickly calculate where the ball would land and beam it back to their cell-phione display between the time the croupier said "Faites vos jeux" and "Rien de joux" or whatever it is he says lol,

They even were found innocent under English law as "devices" were not yet specifically prohibited.

Even in the 70's, I think some physic students invented a computer that was proven to work.

If you know the mass of the ball, the speed of the ball, maybe the speed of the wheel too since it's moving in an opposite direction, maybe the width of the "slots" themselves and the "walls in between the slots", the tilt of the wheel, then, in my imagination, not much more need be know except the formulae that apply.

If anyone knows what more need be known, cool.

For all I know it could be as simple as having a stopwatch and a knowledge of some physics formulae.

Even so, I'd imagine a "stopwatch" would constitute a cheating device.

 

[Jack_Black]

There are countries in the world that still don't have an aid devices law. The students you are referring to are in the book "The eudeamonic pie." which got me involved onto this question. Not unlike how "Bringing down the house" and the subsequent lame ass "21" screen adaptation brought me into the world of blackjack.

I'm guessing it is simple physics. But you don't need to know the mass of the ball, unless you need to calculate f=ma, or p=mv for some reason. but yes, speed of the ball against speed of the wheel with consideration to the layout of wheel. Hoping someone would have one for sale, they have card counting machines out. I did find some older threads on here that discussed doing all these calculations and estimations in your head, something you can learn from this book and system

http://advantageplayer.com/roulette/index.html

but it is very hard to do mentally, so I would just need to learn how to write a program and engineer a small device to wear. HA! I'm starting to sound ridiculous. Just learn programming and engineering. I'll just pay someone to make it for me, that I know how to do well. Any takers, pm me.

 

[RJT]

I have no idea why some posters like RJT would be willing to use such equipment, whether it works or not, exchanging an hourly wage vs the chances of going to jail. I probably mis-read his post to some degree lol.

No mis-read, but i didn't state where i would consider using such a device. It certainly wouldn't be within the US and from what i know i wouldn't use them in the UK. That doesn't mean there's nowhere you could use such a device.
The hourly wage was due to the fact that i don't believe either of these systems are genuine and would want no part of any team that paid the players off of profit.

RJT.

 

[Kasi]

No mis-read, but i didn't state where i would consider using such a device. ..

Thanks RJT and Jack Black - it never occured there are places where one can walk up to a table and blatantly use technical equipment with impunity lol.

Really cool, if so, though.

Perhaps that's where the 3-man team that took the Ritz is currently using their equipment.

Can I just use an exact-card counting computer at a BJ table there holding a mirror close to the dealer's cards when he deals them while laying my head on the table to get a better angle in these places too?

If I had sure and certain knowledge the equipment was allowed, I'd take a % of the profits. Anything less than that, I'd never risk (needless to say lmao) some interpretation of gambling law in a foreign country lol.

Whatever - I can only see a sharp-guy like you only actually doing after, before 1 spin, ask the croupier "There's no problem I use an embedded laser beam in my cell-phone and beam the result to a van outside that will do the calculations and beam me back where to bet before all bets are cancelled?"

They will say "Of course not, sir" and off you go!

Just rambling lol - more to the point. Do you believe it is only the systems these 2 guys mentioned here and are trying to sell that do not work for whatever reason or do you, or Jack Black, or anyone, believe that NO system could work, at least practically speaking?

Heck, I think mere observation could beat a biased wheel. Beating an unbiased wheel would be a lot tougher but, I don't know, I think it could maybe be done.

Or do you/anyone think the results of that trio that ripped off the RitZ was just "lucky" when they won what they did in the time they did?

I just happen would like to believe it actually can be done with lasers and physics etc just because that is SO COOL to me if so and seems, sort of, logical too. Like where else can the ball land once it's released - it's final resting place after that is pre-determinedish

 

[zengrifter]

I'm a little confused by the conclusions that you drew from your google search zg - the first link is SH saying MH is a fake and the second link says both are fake - how does this equate to indicating that Stefan's tech is the real deal?

Okay - I first read up on roulette computers in the early 70s - Wilson, Epstein, Thorp.

Thorp's obsure book, name alludes me, was released in '82 and contained detailed notes and algorithms for building one.

It would be much easier to build one now, obviously, and most appear to leverage an existing device. I saw models in the late-80s/early 90s that utilized an HP Psion calculator, for example.

Additionally, I actually had passing involvement with one built by a UNLV professor in the mid-70s. (see ZGI)

And further, I attempted some prototyping in the mid-80s.

While I never actually put one into real play, I have more experience with the concept than most APs.

BOTH SH and MH competitors have real tech, I believe, and I also believe that one is better. There are others as well. It appears that the latest cutting edge version(s) eliminate the need for an eyeballed 'trigger' clocking (image recognition or laser?) they still appear reliant on a tiny bias found in many if not most wheels 30-years ago.

As for you not ever seeing one... its a cheating device, and unless you are networked in with the criminal world of casino tech cheaters you likely never will see one unless you buy one. zg

 

[zengrifter]

For all I know it could be as simple as having a stopwatch and a knowledge of some physics formulae.

That method also works. zg

Ps - JStat's "roulette signature" method does NOT work (but it can work on Big6)

Pss - The Invention of the First Wearable Computer (Thorp-PDF)

The Invention of the First Wearable Computer

Edward O. Thorp & Associates
[email protected]

Abstract

The first wearable computer was conceived in 1955
by the author to predict roulette, culminating in a joint
effort at M.I.T. with Claude Shannon in 1960-61. The
final operating version was tested in Shannon’s basement
home lab in June of 1961. The cigarette pack sized
analog device yielded an expected gain of +44% when
betting on the most favored “octant.”

The Shannons and Thorps tested the computer in Las
Vegas in the summer of 1961. The predictions there were
consistent with the laboratory expected gain of 44% but a
minor hardware problem deferred sustained serious
betting.

We kept the method and the existence of the computer
secret until 1966.

1: The idea: 1955

In the spring of 1955 while finishing my second year
of graduate physics at U.C.L.A., I thought about whether
it was possible to beat the roulette wheel. A theorem said
no mathematical system existed.

I believed that roulette wheels were
mechanically well made and well maintained. With that,
the orbiting roulette ball suddenly seemed like a planet in
its stately, precise and predictable path.

I set to work with the idea of measuring the position
and velocity of the ball and rotor to predict their future
paths and from this where the ball would stop.

>> Continued at PDF link above >>