Sleazy Scammer of the Week, or ...
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Two fatal flaws with this system:
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RANDSEED (x) = (k1*RANDSEED(x-1)) +K2, where k1 and K2 are constant.
These k1 and K2 can not be random selected, because the generated series depend on them.
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Unless k1 or k2 are equal to something like time.now()-- a number representing the time in milliseconds. Effectively random, since you have no idea when they were generated.
Even if you knew the exact start and stop point of "the circle", you have no way of knowing that you are receiving every part of it. There are hundreds of players playing at any given time, each taking the next number from the RNG. Unless you are the sole, exclusive player, you can't prove you didn't miss a number. And if you are trying to collect the numbers from multiple accounts, you have no way of knowing which order the numbers you are receiving go in. There is a latency between the initiation of your request, and that request being received by the server, and then that request being processed by the server, and then you receiving the reply.
And really, all a casino needs to do is every now and then reseed their RNG based on a new time.now(), and you're back to the beginning. Or, they just need a line of code along the lines of
(In other words, if the rng has reached the end of its list, create a new list based on the current time-- which is effectively random)
Even if you could use multiple requests and determine the order they go in, you'd have to have thousands of clients constantly playing Roulette. The casino will notice. If I was running the casino, I'd do one of two things:
1) If you are playing Freeplay, I'd just ban the IPs.
2) If you are playing real money, I'd let you keep playing the 5% HA game, and just program the software to "shuffle up" on you every hour or so by generating a new seed.
And finally, even if you managed to perfectly, perfectly sequence the RNG-- you'd have spent millions of dollars doing so. The casinos do have table max-- and if a player starts laying down tablemax bets and winning every single time-- well, I can assure you, the account would be frozen, the winnings seized and your initial deposit (maybe) returned.
So in conclusion, this is either the standard "Martingale system" scam, or it is being offered with good intentions but fatally flawed methodology. In either case...
<quote>
RANDSEED (x) = (k1*RANDSEED(x-1)) +K2, where k1 and K2 are constant.
These k1 and K2 can not be random selected, because the generated series depend on them.
</quote>
Unless k1 or k2 are equal to something like time.now()-- a number representing the time in milliseconds. Effectively random, since you have no idea when they were generated.
Even if you knew the exact start and stop point of "the circle", you have no way of knowing that you are receiving every part of it. There are hundreds of players playing at any given time, each taking the next number from the RNG. Unless you are the sole, exclusive player, you can't prove you didn't miss a number. And if you are trying to collect the numbers from multiple accounts, you have no way of knowing which order the numbers you are receiving go in. There is a latency between the initiation of your request, and that request being received by the server, and then that request being processed by the server, and then you receiving the reply.
And really, all a casino needs to do is every now and then reseed their RNG based on a new time.now(), and you're back to the beginning. Or, they just need a line of code along the lines of
(In other words, if the rng has reached the end of its list, create a new list based on the current time-- which is effectively random)
Even if you could use multiple requests and determine the order they go in, you'd have to have thousands of clients constantly playing Roulette. The casino will notice. If I was running the casino, I'd do one of two things:
1) If you are playing Freeplay, I'd just ban the IPs.
2) If you are playing real money, I'd let you keep playing the 5% HA game, and just program the software to "shuffle up" on you every hour or so by generating a new seed.
And finally, even if you managed to perfectly, perfectly sequence the RNG-- you'd have spent millions of dollars doing so. The casinos do have table max-- and if a player starts laying down tablemax bets and winning every single time-- well, I can assure you, the account would be frozen, the winnings seized and your initial deposit (maybe) returned.
So in conclusion, this is either the standard "Martingale system" scam, or it is being offered with good intentions but fatally flawed methodology. In either case...
I just found an article easy to be understood by everyone. Read it here:
http://www.onlinecasinopress.co.uk/random-numbers.html (Archive copy)
http://www.onlinecasinopress.co.uk/random-numbers.html (Archive copy)
Well, if you are unable or unwilling to respond to Halcyon's TWO FATAL FLAWS response above (plus whatever other questions arise from this forum), we cannot endorse BJINFO members/visitors to seek answers at MMM Forums - not happening.
So please reconsider your position on responses to questions arising in this forum. Remember, many of the members here are far more knowledgeable than members typical of the MMM Forums. If you, GoldenEye are not the MMM expert to be responding to our questions, send someone else over who IS able.
The MMM-FART is now on BJINFO's radar, thanks to you. Let us together endeavor to see the MMM-FART be properly received here and not crash and burn like so many other system scammers. zg
So please reconsider your position on responses to questions arising in this forum. Remember, many of the members here are far more knowledgeable than members typical of the MMM Forums. If you, GoldenEye are not the MMM expert to be responding to our questions, send someone else over who IS able.
The MMM-FART is now on BJINFO's radar, thanks to you. Let us together endeavor to see the MMM-FART be properly received here and not crash and burn like so many other system scammers. zg
First of all i am just a player like you who entered into this project and now i'm trying to help them and the lucky people who will be involved in this.
We for sure wont put all our informations on a forum. We are promoting this becouse only together we can succed and we dont need to many people. Soon the gates will be closed and we wont be online anymore, so if you wanna be part of an amazing project like this join us now.
You have many questions zengrifter, join our comunity and see for yourself if it's a scam or not work on collecting numbers and you can find more, but we cant simply tell you the secrets. If you find it a scam you cand come back in here and tell everybody about it. Or you will never find out if this worked or not.
We for sure wont put all our informations on a forum. We are promoting this becouse only together we can succed and we dont need to many people. Soon the gates will be closed and we wont be online anymore, so if you wanna be part of an amazing project like this join us now.
You have many questions zengrifter, join our comunity and see for yourself if it's a scam or not work on collecting numbers and you can find more, but we cant simply tell you the secrets. If you find it a scam you cand come back in here and tell everybody about it. Or you will never find out if this worked or not.
This is not new to us... perhaps you didn't realize that when you posted the MMM-FART system at BJINFO that many of us are pro-caliber APs with grounding in various disciplines - math, computer science, etc.
For anyone following the MMM-FART thread, I have re-posted Halcyon's TWO FATAL FLAWS at the MMM-FART Forum, here -
Leeroy: Two Fatal Flaws to MMM?
Maybe Leeroy will respond. zg
For anyone following the MMM-FART thread, I have re-posted Halcyon's TWO FATAL FLAWS at the MMM-FART Forum, here -
Leeroy: Two Fatal Flaws to MMM?
Maybe Leeroy will respond. zg
Well, I am privy to one unsubstantiated rumor that the MMM-FART project is connected to Russian mob affiliates whose main goal is to get 1000+ users to all give up their credit cards and plunk down the big 7-progression bet into a dummy site that gets switched seamlessly at the key moment, though I cannot see how that might work.
I am just hoping that GE or Leeroy get back to us before we write off the deal as one big MMM-FART. zg
I am just hoping that GE or Leeroy get back to us before we write off the deal as one big MMM-FART. zg
Thomas won but he had luck. He just played at online casinos without using the requests, something that people from this comunity are not recommanding. At the current stage mmm is only another automatic martingale tool which will make loose in long run. The only way is by working to collect numbers now and wait for step 3 when we will have the incredible advantage after 7 losses in a row. But to take advantage of that you have to collect as many numbers as you can now so than you will have more requests.
I write to you again, dont play with mmm on real cash now!!!
I write to you again, dont play with mmm on real cash now!!!
Well I would like to say that this is incorrect.
I did at times use the request.
Not that often to be sure.
(The program didn't use the feature that often.)
Still I was new to the tool.
However. The point is.
I used the MMM tool,
Made some money with it.
I now know that there is more to it than that.
And that collecting numbers is the go.
However, I purchased the software.
Paid for it.
And wanted to at least recoup my investment.
Did that. Made a profit.
After all, what is the point of purchasing software if you are not going to use it?
And What is the point of purchasing software if your not going to use it to make a profit from it?
Hmmmmmm?
I know that the programmers are working on collecting data, numbers.
So they can improve the mmm tool.
The full package is $97
If the site said in order to use this program.
We would like you to go and collect numbers.
Then why charge $97?
If that is all it is good for?
You can download it for free for a 3 day trial.
And even when I did that, I made a profit.
I put my money on the line.
How many of you that have the software have actually used it?
Used it to make you money? How many have used real money?
How many have made a profit from it?
And what rely ticks me of.
Is that it is not supposed to be used to make you money.
Well that is what I get from people.
It is supposed to be used to collect numbers.
Get data. I did not purchase it for that purpose.
I paid for it, so I could make some money.
Ohh and then I get the Me, me, me.
It's all about me.
You should think about the members that use the mmm tool.
Well I did. I made some videos going through the entire thing.
Some may stress that you not use it to play live with real money.
I will be doing a live recording of me using the mmm tool.
With a live account, with real money.
From my real bank account.
And seeing how I go this time.
So far I have used the mmm tool twice.
Lets see how it performs a third time.
Win or lose I still will be in front.
:cool2:
I did at times use the request.
Not that often to be sure.
(The program didn't use the feature that often.)
Still I was new to the tool.
However. The point is.
I used the MMM tool,
Made some money with it.
I now know that there is more to it than that.
And that collecting numbers is the go.
However, I purchased the software.
Paid for it.
And wanted to at least recoup my investment.
Did that. Made a profit.
After all, what is the point of purchasing software if you are not going to use it?
And What is the point of purchasing software if your not going to use it to make a profit from it?
Hmmmmmm?
I know that the programmers are working on collecting data, numbers.
So they can improve the mmm tool.
The full package is $97
If the site said in order to use this program.
We would like you to go and collect numbers.
Then why charge $97?
If that is all it is good for?
You can download it for free for a 3 day trial.
And even when I did that, I made a profit.
I put my money on the line.
How many of you that have the software have actually used it?
Used it to make you money? How many have used real money?
How many have made a profit from it?
And what rely ticks me of.
Is that it is not supposed to be used to make you money.
Well that is what I get from people.
It is supposed to be used to collect numbers.
Get data. I did not purchase it for that purpose.
I paid for it, so I could make some money.
Ohh and then I get the Me, me, me.
It's all about me.
You should think about the members that use the mmm tool.
Well I did. I made some videos going through the entire thing.
Some may stress that you not use it to play live with real money.
I will be doing a live recording of me using the mmm tool.
With a live account, with real money.
From my real bank account.
And seeing how I go this time.
So far I have used the mmm tool twice.
Lets see how it performs a third time.
Win or lose I still will be in front.
:cool2:
I received a message from an anonymous source regarding the MMM-FART:
FROM ANONYMOUS
Re: MMM-FART-ScaMMM
I'm a lurker and don't post much. I can't post too much. I probably won't post again, but I will lurk to follow this one through. I followed Cipher around and knew he would be found out.
You may not be aware but just about every online casino does not use their own server's RNG in Fun Mode, Play Mode or whatever they want to call it. They use [your] computer's own RNG. You can test it out at Online Casino by just disconnecting your internet connection and it will still allow you to play. It isn't connected to their server. I know this. I am sure many others know this. You can download Online Casino and test it for yourself, or if you can't because of your location then ask a friend to do it.
The data these people are collecting are not recording the RNG results of Online Casino's server; they are recording the results of a rigged RNG from MMM's program. Think how much turnover will have taken place when the duped place their 7th bet. 48.65% will win, 48.65% will lose. Starting bet of $10 makes accumulated losses at 7th loss of $1270 x $0.4865 x 40%* = $247 profits per player for MMM. How? Decode my message.* And eventually all the first time winners will also lose.
* 1 = A, 6 = F
This one will be bigger than Cipher. Their forum is full of roulette betting system junkies; the perfect clientele for the perfect scaMMM.
Do not PM me back. I won't respond.
Re: MMM-FART-ScaMMM
I'm a lurker and don't post much. I can't post too much. I probably won't post again, but I will lurk to follow this one through. I followed Cipher around and knew he would be found out.
You may not be aware but just about every online casino does not use their own server's RNG in Fun Mode, Play Mode or whatever they want to call it. They use [your] computer's own RNG. You can test it out at Online Casino by just disconnecting your internet connection and it will still allow you to play. It isn't connected to their server. I know this. I am sure many others know this. You can download Online Casino and test it for yourself, or if you can't because of your location then ask a friend to do it.
The data these people are collecting are not recording the RNG results of Online Casino's server; they are recording the results of a rigged RNG from MMM's program. Think how much turnover will have taken place when the duped place their 7th bet. 48.65% will win, 48.65% will lose. Starting bet of $10 makes accumulated losses at 7th loss of $1270 x $0.4865 x 40%* = $247 profits per player for MMM. How? Decode my message.* And eventually all the first time winners will also lose.
* 1 = A, 6 = F
This one will be bigger than Cipher. Their forum is full of roulette betting system junkies; the perfect clientele for the perfect scaMMM.
Do not PM me back. I won't respond.
