So im playing blackjack at the casino tonight...

[ajc]

At this casino they have the red light/ green light for a dealer blackjack so the dealer puts her card under the scanner and what do you know it turns red for a blackjack....but she flips it over and its a 2. the dealer now has A-2

She has to call the pitt boss over show him what happened, he then tells the table we now have the advantage. I told him i would let to take my bet back, (seeing i was looking at 2-2) He tells me no at first, until i argue with him enough to make him change his mind and he allowed everyone to take their bet away if they wanted to.

I gave the pitt boss a hard time about it but it wasnt anywhere close to as hard a time as the people at the table gave me! They all told me it didnt matter and its still the same thing...maybe it was, however, why not try and get your money back? So two of the clowns stayed in the hand, one of them had 16 the other 12...and i bet you can guess what happened..i laughed when the dealer pulled away their money and i colored up and left.

What do you guys think? Would you gave the pitt boss crap and try to get your bet back in my situation?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

At this casino they have the red light/ green light for a dealer blackjack so the dealer puts her card under the scanner and what do you know it turns red for a blackjack....but she flips it over and its a 2. the dealer now has A-2

She has to call the pitt boss over show him what happened, he then tells the table we now have the advantage. I told him i would let to take my bet back, (seeing i was looking at 2-2) He tells me no at first, until i argue with him enough to make him change his mind and he allowed everyone to take their bet away if they wanted to.

I gave the pitt boss a hard time about it but it wasnt anywhere close to as hard a time as the people at the table gave me! They all told me it didnt matter and its still the same thing...maybe it was, however, why not try and get your money back? So two of the clowns stayed in the hand, one of them had 16 the other 12...and i bet you can guess what happened..i laughed when the dealer pulled away their money and i colored up and left.

What do you guys think? Would you gave the pitt boss crap and try to get your bet back in my situation?

It depends. I don't think you had the advantage with 22 vs A2, but you did get a windfall by seeing the downcard. Right play is to stand on 14 (S17) or 13 (H17). So I would take a shot at pulling my bet back, but I wouldn't go nuts over it.

 

[shadroch]

I don't think its worth getting into it with the PB over.I'd have asked and accepted his answer,perhaps his second answer.Nothing good comes from pissing off the PB.

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

well that sucks.. the one time you get to see the hole card and it doesnt even matter as the dealer only has 3.. think about this.. what if the dealer had a 10 with a 10 underneath, what would happen? i have a feeling that the pb decision on what to do would be different if the dealer had 12-16 (play on) compared to 20-21 (redo/burn).. remember, the pb isnt out to get everyone, unless there is a long term threat (card counter)

 

[mrbill]

Maybe it's the casino's I frequent, but they have rules about the way situations are handled. They all handle it the same way.

For me, a PB handling the situation based on what the dealer has would cause me to wonder what else was left up to the PB and maybe foster a little bit of distrust since I tend to trust consistency more than anything else in the casino environment.

I had a similar situation this past weekend. Twice the dealer dealt themselves the cut card for their first card. Neither of them noticed it till they had dealt the second card out to all players. They noticed it before they had dealt themselves a second card though. In both cases the PB(Different each time) came over and had the dealer put the cut card aside and deal themselves 2 cards. Then they gave the players the option of playing their hand or pulling back their bet. The first time I had 3-2 against a dealer 4. I pulled my bet back. The second time I had 8-8 against a dealer 6. That time I played it and split my 8's, got a 3 on each of them and doubled. Once I got a 10 for 21, the other time I got a 9 for 20. Won both of them when the dealer turned over a A and took a hit getting a 2 for 19.

The point is, in both cases they were handled the same, in fact they used the exact same words in telling the dealer what to do.

 

[ajc]

The point is, in both cases they were handled the same, in fact they used the exact same words in telling the dealer what to do.

Well the thing is, at this very same casino the same thing has happened to me before and everyone was given the choice to take their bet back or stay in. The reason I got mad this time is because the pit boss said I have to stay in the hand, and im 99% sure he said this because the players all had crap hands vs a dealers soft 13.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

My experience has been different, in this same situation. The PC says "OK you now know the dealer's hole card." One time the dealer just outright dealt himself two up cards, and it was an ace BJ. The PC went around the table asking if we wanted insurance. Fair enough by me.

In most of the shoe games I play there is surrender, so knowing the hole card gives you a massive advantage. I don't prep myself on HC strategy before I go on a shoe mission, but you can get yourself pretty close by just thinking.

 

[Mimosine]

usually when the pit makes a decision, even if i don't like it, it is a fair decision. especially when a dealer forgets to deal them self a card and all the cards get out of order. i USUALLY just grin and bear it.

but whenever a dealer has blatantly turned over their hole card on accident we were allowed AND EXPECTED to play out the hand. even if the dealer had a 10-10, at least you really know if you should hit your 16 in that case or surrender.

no need to make a stink about that, pisses off the pit, and if you make the dealer feel like an ass, even inadvertently through making a stink with the PB, you're going to encounter more and more unfavorable things.... i won't say more.

 

[ihate17]

Sometimes the pit can be ridiculous

usually when the pit makes a decision, even if i don't like it, it is a fair decision. especially when a dealer forgets to deal them self a card and all the cards get out of order. i USUALLY just grin and bear it.

but whenever a dealer has blatantly turned over their hole card on accident we were allowed AND EXPECTED to play out the hand. even if the dealer had a 10-10, at least you really know if you should hit your 16 in that case or surrender.

no need to make a stink about that, pisses off the pit, and if you make the dealer feel like an ass, even inadvertently through making a stink with the PB, you're going to encounter more and more unfavorable things.... i won't say more.

At a casino where they always give players the option of bowing out of hands where something happens to cause the cards to be "out of order", a pit makes the following decision. The guy at first base gives mixed messages, hit or stand, on his 14 vs a dealer 2 and the dealer deals him an 8. While complaining the dealer gives the next player a double down card face down, I stand on 18 and the dealer turns a 10 for 12 and now calls the pit because first base is still saying he signaled stand. Pit comes over, looks at the hands, tells the guy at first base he can stand and then actually gives that 8 to the dealer for a 20 that killed the table.
I immediately tell him to call his supervisor and he tells the dealer to continue dealing. I sit out (neutral count) and wait and watch him taking a long time explaining to his boss. Boss comes over and says that the hand was handled as it would have resulted in anyway. So, I ask him, did you know that between the card in dispute and the dealer was another player who took a hit by doubling down (that guy is now pointing himself out), pit is sheepishly saying, I did not see that. I ease myself and very quietly say to the boss (shift manager), just have them roll back the tape on the hand and you will have a table of happy customers, I'm sure. About 15 minutes later he returns and tells the dealer to refund the exact amounts that everyone had bet.
The thing is, the other players at this table were willing to let this go. I only had a minimum bet out but there are times where you can not let it go. It is very important though that when you are reacting to a dispute resolved horribly that you be quiet and very calm if you do not want there to be any anger on the part of casino people. Be extra nice, for instance I pointed out that the pit easily missed the double down card because it had been asked for down and was partially covered by one of the players up cards. (Actually, he should never have missed it but sometimes diplomacy works).
Also, what casino bosses really hate is loud complaints that attract people at other tables.

ihate17

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Well the thing is, at this very same casino the same thing has happened to me before and everyone was given the choice to take their bet back or stay in. The reason I got mad this time is because the pit boss said I have to stay in the hand, and im 99% sure he said this because the players all had crap hands vs a dealers soft 13.

mrbill didnt mention the name of any casino.. perhaps im missing something

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

My experience has been different, in this same situation. The PC says "OK you now know the dealer's hole card." One time the dealer just outright dealt himself two up cards, and it was an ace BJ. The PC went around the table asking if we wanted insurance. Fair enough by me.

so the dealer had a blackjack and he asked for insurance? thats hilarious.. clearly everybody took insurance

 

[shadroch]

so the dealer had a blackjack and he asked for insurance? thats hilarious.. clearly everybody took insurance

You might be surprised on that.I've seen people stick at 18 staring at a dealers 20.They might not want to ruin the sacred flow of the cards.

 

[bj bob]

My experience has been different, in this same situation. The PC says "OK you now know the dealer's hole card." One time the dealer just outright dealt himself two up cards, and it was an ace BJ. The PC went around the table asking if we wanted insurance. Fair enough by me.QUOTE]
What's the index on that play, Monk?

 

[EasyRhino]

I also had one time where there was an offer of retroactive insurance against a known-sure-thing dealer BJ, and it took three people a lot of convincing to get the player at first base to take insurance, because, as he said "it's a sucker's bet".

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

You might be surprised on that.I've seen people stick at 18 staring at a dealers 20.They might not want to ruin the sacred flow of the cards.

its true, you cant mess up the cards (the person who says that knows the exact order of all the cards (its always a good order!), but for some reason chooses not to tell herself or any1 else) a face follows a face (except when it doesnt) and taking hits is like jenga, if you take too many, it falls (except when it doesnt); also make sure to hold hands and pray when the dealer has an ace (which ive seen).. i mean what else makes more sense than that? math? nope.. this woman told me that "math is done on paper and computers, we are on a blackjack table, your just a kid, and ive been playing for many years".. or like the time i saw this woman playing video poker, and she kept holding on to this woody (from toy story) action figure, and i asked her why, and she said its good luck, she won $1000 with it once, and for the next 2 hours i witnessed her talking to it and rubbing it, and she would press the screen with the doll.. and no, she wasnt crazy, im sure of it..

My experience has been different, in this same situation. The PC says "OK you now know the dealer's hole card." One time the dealer just outright dealt himself two up cards, and it was an ace BJ. The PC went around the table asking if we wanted insurance. Fair enough by me.QUOTE]
What's the index on that play, Monk?

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