Splitting 8's
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Mica,
Please don't leave the forum...
It is their way of welcoming you in a wierd sort of way. I felt the same way after a few posts but then you just learn to fight back and/or ignore the comments. You are here to learn and possibly make some acquaintances along the way.
Consider it training to give you nerves of steel and to see just how much bs you will NOT take at the tables or this forum. Seriously, the majority of the members are extremely considerate and helpful and you will eventually learn who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't..
Keep up the great questions...
Red
Please don't leave the forum...
It is their way of welcoming you in a wierd sort of way. I felt the same way after a few posts but then you just learn to fight back and/or ignore the comments. You are here to learn and possibly make some acquaintances along the way.
Consider it training to give you nerves of steel and to see just how much bs you will NOT take at the tables or this forum. Seriously, the majority of the members are extremely considerate and helpful and you will eventually learn who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't..
Keep up the great questions...
Red
Because you always have a minimum bet down in a neutral or negative count, and in a neutral or negative count the right play would be to split instead of surrender. As soon as the count is high enough to justify an increased bet, the right play would be to surrender.
It's possible (and perfectly legitimate) to key your index plays to the number of units you are betting, instead of directly to the count, especially in a shoe game where there is not likely to be a big change in count between the time you make your bet and the time to play your hand.
Let's say you have a S17, LS game. You could set up an index system like this:
Below zero:
Hit 13 vs. 2, 13 vs. 3, 12 vs. 4
Hit 9 vs. 3
Don't surrender 15 vs. 10, 16 vs. 9, 16 vs. A
Bets above min:
Stand 12 vs. 3, multicard 16 vs. 10
Double 9 vs. 2, 11 vs. A
Surrender 88 vs. 10
Bets halfway to max:
Stand 12 vs. 2
Insure
Double 8 vs. 6, A8 vs. 5, A8 vs. 6
Surrender 14 vs. 10, 15 vs. 9, 15 vs. A
Bets at max:
Stand multicard 15 vs. 10, multicard 16 vs. 9
Double 8 vs. 5, 9 vs. 7, 10 vs. 10, 10 vs. A
Split TT vs. 5, TT vs. 6
Surrender 14 vs. 9, 14 vs. A, 16 vs. 8
You can play like this if you want, and as long as your betting ramp is the normal kind used for shoe games you will be just fine, and what's more is you can use a different count and it will all be the same! This is the way I learn indices, and the exact index number is optional and can be learned at your convenience.
It's possible (and perfectly legitimate) to key your index plays to the number of units you are betting, instead of directly to the count, especially in a shoe game where there is not likely to be a big change in count between the time you make your bet and the time to play your hand.
Let's say you have a S17, LS game. You could set up an index system like this:
Below zero:
Hit 13 vs. 2, 13 vs. 3, 12 vs. 4
Hit 9 vs. 3
Don't surrender 15 vs. 10, 16 vs. 9, 16 vs. A
Bets above min:
Stand 12 vs. 3, multicard 16 vs. 10
Double 9 vs. 2, 11 vs. A
Surrender 88 vs. 10
Bets halfway to max:
Stand 12 vs. 2
Insure
Double 8 vs. 6, A8 vs. 5, A8 vs. 6
Surrender 14 vs. 10, 15 vs. 9, 15 vs. A
Bets at max:
Stand multicard 15 vs. 10, multicard 16 vs. 9
Double 8 vs. 5, 9 vs. 7, 10 vs. 10, 10 vs. A
Split TT vs. 5, TT vs. 6
Surrender 14 vs. 9, 14 vs. A, 16 vs. 8
You can play like this if you want, and as long as your betting ramp is the normal kind used for shoe games you will be just fine, and what's more is you can use a different count and it will all be the same! This is the way I learn indices, and the exact index number is optional and can be learned at your convenience.
That is a very good guess. Although I am a genius, I was institutionalized in most of my life and never had a formal education. But thanks to Internet, I am catching up fast.
Read the earlier post about Mica (who I still think try too hard to convince us that she is a woman), it does look something written by an Asian because either I skipped words or some moderator messed with me by deleting words here and there.
Read the earlier post about Mica (who I still think try too hard to convince us that she is a woman), it does look something written by an Asian because either I skipped words or some moderator messed with me by deleting words here and there.