System Scammer of the Week?
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In the millionaire quote, it was a given that it is legal. Effectiveness is shown by presenting the results through the scrolls and strands from the software. There are other people who have posted their successful results. Can you do without it? Maybe. It's just more clearer with the software and you can always refer to past sessions for statistics, amount wagered, etc. It calculates the Chi factors too for randomness. It's better to show how to use it than to type it out. A picture is worth a thousand words. That is why Cipher puts the videos and examples of his sessions. All of this for free.
By seeing what the session has already done, you would do better than just making hunches and guesses. Patterns do develop, I've seen it myself hundreds of times. This is at all the reputable online casinos.
I wouldn't just invest any or all of my money in unproven systems but Cipher's system isn't unproven. Like I said earlier, it is easier to show how to use it than to exhaust yourself trying to explain it. It's like in that movie, Blast From The Past, whereas the son finally understood the game of baseball but just couldn't comprehend it before despite his father's years of explaining it to him.
Well, he ain't selling anything. He would be right that you don't know what you're talking about if you haven't tried it.
Well, I use it and I think it is not worthless, in fact, I use it everytime I play online blackjack.
Whether Cipher's "work" here is done will be up to him.
By seeing what the session has already done, you would do better than just making hunches and guesses. Patterns do develop, I've seen it myself hundreds of times. This is at all the reputable online casinos.
Sonny said:
Honestly, would you invest all of your money in an unproven system? What if the developed couldn’t even explain how it worked? 
Sonny said:
What if the developer told you that you “didn’t know what the hell you were talking about” and you “didn’t have the balls” to try his product? Does that sound like a professional sales pitch or a scam?
Sonny said:
As I said before, screenshots are not proof! After all, my screenshot has a much higher balance than yours so my system must be better.
And you still have not answered a single question. You don’t seem to have any answers at all, only insults. Nobody here is going to use your worthless system so you might as well troll another website. You’ve already proven your ignorance and insulted us all. Your work here is done.
-Sonny-
And you still have not answered a single question. You don’t seem to have any answers at all, only insults. Nobody here is going to use your worthless system so you might as well troll another website. You’ve already proven your ignorance and insulted us all. Your work here is done.
-Sonny-
Whether Cipher's "work" here is done will be up to him.
So we have cypher and a few guys swearing by a system they can't or won't explain. And the rest of the forum having zero interest in trying an unexplainable system. It seems to me that Cypher is beating his head against the wall,as I don't see anyone here jumping on his bandwagon.But I'd love to hear from Jerry Patterson on this. Is there an online equivilent of "dirty ashtrays"
If there was a way for ANYONE to consistantly beat the casinos, they would go out of business!
And for the people who endorse this system because of their short-term results. A lot of people have come into this forum telling everyone that they have found a way to mathematically beat the online casinos. Their system, double your bet after every loss! AKA, the martingale. No matter what people can tell them about it not working, they say, just try it for yourself. Let the results speak for themselves. Well, I hope most of you know that the martingale is a losing system. BUT, a martingale player has a really good chance of making money in the short-run.
No matter what apparent "pattern" you see, they have NO EFFECT on your next hand. So if you decide to bump your bet up to 500 because you see a pattern, you're simply putting up 500 dollars against the house edge. Your EV is total bets multiplied by the house edge. So the more you bet, the more you lose in the long run, it's really that simple.
And for the people who endorse this system because of their short-term results. A lot of people have come into this forum telling everyone that they have found a way to mathematically beat the online casinos. Their system, double your bet after every loss! AKA, the martingale. No matter what people can tell them about it not working, they say, just try it for yourself. Let the results speak for themselves. Well, I hope most of you know that the martingale is a losing system. BUT, a martingale player has a really good chance of making money in the short-run.
No matter what apparent "pattern" you see, they have NO EFFECT on your next hand. So if you decide to bump your bet up to 500 because you see a pattern, you're simply putting up 500 dollars against the house edge. Your EV is total bets multiplied by the house edge. So the more you bet, the more you lose in the long run, it's really that simple.
If you want an example of a Cipher session that uses pattern recognition, go to:
(Dead link: http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum/attachments/ciphers-gambling-edge/2580-russia-love-al-4.jpg?d=1149007920)
On hand 19, you see that the player lost $10 on a double down. Hand 20 was a winner at minimum bet so he triples to wager $15 on hand 21 which he lost. Thinking that a switchback play is happening, he doubles to $30 on hand 22 which he lost also. Thereafter, for hands 23 to 25, he wagers the minimum until he wins hand 26. For hand 27, he wagers $50 which he loses once again. Back to minimum wagering for the next four hands 28 to 31. Sensing a pattern of blocks of 5 losses from hands 21-25 and 27-31, he once again doubles to $100 for hand 32 which he wins.
Hand 44 is basically a repeat of above only with blocks of 4 losing hands.
Overall, this player was conservative with his wagers and won $39 despite losing 36% (including the two pushes) of his hands. This is one of many "scrolls and strands" on Cipher's site that show how to use the software to see patterns.
(Dead link: http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum/attachments/ciphers-gambling-edge/2580-russia-love-al-4.jpg?d=1149007920)
On hand 19, you see that the player lost $10 on a double down. Hand 20 was a winner at minimum bet so he triples to wager $15 on hand 21 which he lost. Thinking that a switchback play is happening, he doubles to $30 on hand 22 which he lost also. Thereafter, for hands 23 to 25, he wagers the minimum until he wins hand 26. For hand 27, he wagers $50 which he loses once again. Back to minimum wagering for the next four hands 28 to 31. Sensing a pattern of blocks of 5 losses from hands 21-25 and 27-31, he once again doubles to $100 for hand 32 which he wins.
Hand 44 is basically a repeat of above only with blocks of 4 losing hands.
Overall, this player was conservative with his wagers and won $39 despite losing 36% (including the two pushes) of his hands. This is one of many "scrolls and strands" on Cipher's site that show how to use the software to see patterns.
Cipher has already played over 10 million hands of online blackjack and has made money all during that time. There really isn't much they can do about it if they want to stay in the good graces of the gambling public. They can't ban him for card-counting or cheating because it's all online. He doesn't really go for bonuses so they can't use that. They just rather shut up and not give any more attention to him and besides, him and other who use Cipher are a small contingent of players overall.
Au contrair mon frer - they can ban him without any reason other than he wins too often. All that stuff about "switchback" etc. sounds batty. We may never be able to come to agreement on this matter, especially since he already knows that bonafide math PhDs like Shakleford and Jacobson and even Thorp, for that matter, aren't going to accept it.
Maybe in 100 years he'll be looked upon as the Wright Bros of online gaming!
Or maybe he'll be exposed as the latest incarnation of Doug Grant! zg
Maybe in 100 years he'll be looked upon as the Wright Bros of online gaming!
Or maybe he'll be exposed as the latest incarnation of Doug Grant! zg
Actually there is more validity to it in the markets because they are not random like BJ - various patterns and cycles ("indicators") do emerge. I continue to wonder if such patterns could be indentified. (in fairness to the CIPHER system, which nonetheless likely violates Bayes Theorem and other foundations of statistical logic) zg
From what I gathered the past year, from reading the archives at Casinomeister and at the Gambling Edge websites, is that Cipher has about 20 or so favorite online casinios that he regularly plays at. Intercasino happens to be just one of them that he plays daily but heavily. So in between the Intercasino sessions there are other ones he plays.
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