Table manners

[Johnrfla]

Greetings,

I rarely say things or reply back to others at the table when they question my play, however Friday I could not resist. I had a soft 18 against the dealers 7 The guy to my right said you should double down. I said why would I wish to go from a winning hand to a push? he then muttered something and I replied Gee I am not the one who as lost 3,000 dollars in 4 hands, and if you will note I have increased my orginal buy in by 300%, you have any other advice there genius?
Well the dealer indeed had a 10 in the hole and the next card out was a 10.
The next play the guy had a 6 against the dealers 6 and he doubled down. he recieved a 5
I recieved a pair of 9s which I split. he then said Your spliting the 9s? I said the idea is to win with the max amount possible when your dealt a high percentage at winning a hand. I then added by the way thank you for the 10 you passed up on that would have given you 21. I recieved a 10 on one nine and a 2 on the other 9 which I DD on, and getting a 8. The dealer fliped the card and it was a 4 followed by a 7.
I said no more to the guy for he had just lost another 1500 and left the table fuming.
How do you all handle people who question your play, or made snide comments. I normally ignore them but this guy ticked me off

 

[creeping panther]

john

Greetings,

I rarely say things or reply back to others at the table when they question my play, however Friday I could not resist. I had a soft 18 against the dealers 7 The guy to my right said you should double down. I said why would I wish to go from a winning hand to a push? he then muttered something and I replied Gee I am not the one who as lost 3,000 dollars in 4 hands, and if you will note I have increased my orginal buy in by 300%, you have any other advice there genius?
Well the dealer indeed had a 10 in the hole and the next card out was a 10.
The next play the guy had a 6 against the dealers 6 and he doubled down. he recieved a 5
I recieved a pair of 9s which I split. he then said Your spliting the 9s? I said the idea is to win with the max amount possible when your dealt a high percentage at winning a hand. I then added by the way thank you for the 10 you passed up on that would have given you 21. I recieved a 10 on one nine and a 2 on the other 9 which I DD on, and getting a 8. The dealer fliped the card and it was a 4 followed by a 7.
I said no more to the guy for he had just lost another 1500 and left the table fuming.
How do you all handle people who question your play, or made snide comments. I normally ignore them but this guy ticked me off

never explain anything, hold the temper, ignore them.

CP

 

[Blue Efficacy]

You're just asking for trouble by talking to those types of players. Like CP said, ignore them.

If you justify your play with the maths behind it, a Pit Critter might overhear, and they will know that you have a brain.

You do not want the PCs to think you have a brain.

Just let them donate their money to the casino and play your hands correctly

They will usually go bust after a while and will not be your problem anymore.

Do NOT engage them. Casinos attract desperate degenerates who may be capable of worse than a person with common sense would imagine. You do not want one of them to seek revenge on you.

 

[johndoe]

Engage them only if it helps your act and cover, otherwise feel free to shrug and ignore them. Who cares what they think?

 

[sagefr0g]

casino whales major or minor need respect, just as the casino's give them. the casino meisters aren't going to look with favor upon anyone that doesn't give it to them.

 

[Slick Vic]

Usually when some guy next to me asks me about my play, I say something a real gambler would say like- "I just got that feeling" or "I'm due for a good hand soon!" If someone asked me why I didn't double down with a soft 18 against a dealer's 7, I would just say something like "I would like to, but the table's just not very hot right now" or something equally as superstitious.

The dialogue that the tourist sitting next to you is rarely anything of intelligence or importance. It can actually be a good opportunity to say something that makes you look dumb yourself and maybe draw a little heat away from you.

 

[tedloc]

This always works

Next time you get any static from a ploppie, simply say: "Give me $100 and the next time I get that hand, I'll let you play it."

A side story. I played with a guy one nite, who I originally thought was not a good player. He was on third base on a $100 dollar table and the first time he got 16 vs a dealer 5, he announced to the table: "I'm going to hit this, unless someone wants to buy my hand." The guy on first base was playing big money and he immediatelly bought the hand. The guy did this three more times during his one hour of play. After I went home and thought about it, I realized the guy was a player and was simply getting out of a bad hand by pretending to be a 'dope'.
I have since used this ploy myself.

 

[peaegg]

Next time you get any static from a ploppie, simply say: "Give me $100 and the next time I get that hand, I'll let you play it."

A side story. I played with a guy one nite, who I originally thought was not a good player. He was on third base on a $100 dollar table and the first time he got 16 vs a dealer 5, he announced to the table: "I'm going to hit this, unless someone wants to buy my hand." The guy on first base was playing big money and he immediatelly bought the hand. The guy did this three more times during his one hour of play. After I went home and thought about it, I realized the guy was a player and was simply getting out of a bad hand by pretending to be a 'dope'.
I have since used this ploy myself.

That's smart. Hard 16 vs any dealer's card has a negative expectation. But I don't think tricking someone to buy his negative expectation hand is something an AP should encourage. Not ethical and could draw attention from the PC. It is a different story if announcing that I will hit 12 against 2, because the index does justify that play. I don't think that player could justify his hit on 16 vs 5.

 

[Finn Dog]

Next time you get any static from a ploppie, simply say: "Give me $100 and the next time I get that hand, I'll let you play it."

Boy I'd like to use this one, that's great! Or do some of you think this is even too confrontational?

 

[Finn Dog]

Hey, or about saying: "I'm getting a divorce so I don't really care, the less I have the less she'll get!"

Might clear out the whole table nicely for some head's up!

 

[tedloc]

It's not a trick

That's smart. Hard 16 vs any dealer's card has a negative expectation. But I don't think tricking someone to buy his negative expectation hand is something an AP should encourage. Not ethical and could draw attention from the PC. It is a different story if announcing that I will hit 12 against 2, because the index does justify that play. I don't think that player could justify his hit on 16 vs 5.

Any of us on this site know that what someone does on third base has NO affect on your hand. You only know the RIGHT play after the hand is over. Only if you know, what the dealer has in the hole and the next two cards, could you offer the right suggestion. Let's face it, First base has no idea what he was doing. If third base had taken the hit, it might have proved a winner for everyone but him. He was buying the hand because in his mind he said: The dealer has a ten in the hole and the next card is a ten and if that dope on third base takes it, I'll lose my bet.
As for tricking the guys at the table, would you also think it was unethical for me to sell one of my 8's vs a dealer 10, if I could get someone to buy it? How about buying someone's 9 vs a dealer 5?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

As for tricking the guys at the table, would you also think it was unethical for me to sell one of my 8's vs a dealer 10, if I could get someone to buy it? How about buying someone's 9 vs a dealer 5?

I think most amateurs know an 8 v a face is a loser. You'd have to find a downright bad player loose with his money.

 

[callipygian]

How do you all handle people who question your play, or made snide comments.

I just tell them that was the way I was taught to play, and while nobody has ever asked follow up questions, I would claim it's my dead grandfather who taught me.

 

[ihate17]

I will take the 9 and pass on the 8

Any of us on this site know that what someone does on third base has NO affect on your hand. You only know the RIGHT play after the hand is over. Only if you know, what the dealer has in the hole and the next two cards, could you offer the right suggestion. Let's face it, First base has no idea what he was doing. If third base had taken the hit, it might have proved a winner for everyone but him. He was buying the hand because in his mind he said: The dealer has a ten in the hole and the next card is a ten and if that dope on third base takes it, I'll lose my bet.
As for tricking the guys at the table, would you also think it was unethical for me to sell one of my 8's vs a dealer 10, if I could get someone to buy it? How about buying someone's 9 vs a dealer 5?

The guy who gets me is the annoying guy who becomes the table bully and passes out wrong advice. I generally will not sell my hand to this guy if I am in his yelling sights but often have offered to play the hand his way for a fee.
Recently a high rolling bully (bets between 2-5,000) was getting on anyone who played their soft 18, 9,9 or hit their 12's properly. I get a 9,9 vs 8 and intentionally start getting my chips together for a split hoping that he says something. When he starts telling me that I have a push and should just take it, I tell him that this is how I play but if you want to pay me to play your way I will. He throws a black chip (my bet) to me and tells me to stay, which I did. I did push but landed up getting paid.

Another nice thing happened while this guy was jumping on another player and the dealer was distracted. I had bet $500 and got a blackjack. When the dealer got to me she paid me and took my cards. The count had still gone up some, so I decided to leave the $750 payout in the circle as my next bet. With this guy yelling and the dealer busting, she got confused and just paid the whole table, including me with no cards giving me another $750. Getting 3-1 on a blackjack does not happen very often and perhaps I owe that annoying guy a bit of thanks.

ihate17

 

[chichow]

lovely. very lovely.

 

[hawkeye]

It's the worst when you get the 12v2 a few times right in a row and multiple people bug you about hitting it. I know to ignore them, but you do need a stupid line or something to make it better. I swear I got 4 recently in one half of a shoe, it was ridiculous. I lost most of them, and everyone kept telling me to stay. I just kept saying "I'm gonna get lucky this time" but everyone was groaning at me for "taking the bust card" even though I was at 1st.

 

[ihate17]

forgetaboutthem duds

It's the worst when you get the 12v2 a few times right in a row and multiple people bug you about hitting it. I know to ignore them, but you do need a stupid line or something to make it better. I swear I got 4 recently in one half of a shoe, it was ridiculous. I lost most of them, and everyone kept telling me to stay. I just kept saying "I'm gonna get lucky this time" but everyone was groaning at me for "taking the bust card" even though I was at 1st.

The perfect proof that these idiots are just hindsighters comes when you play pitch. You can get a dozen 12's, hit everyone of them, some "saving the table", others helping you win or perhaps you lose. As soon as you get a 12 that busts, here come to comments and then the guy who backs up the cards in his mind and figures out the dealer would have busted. The comments and this guy never existed on your previous 12 hits of 12, amazing!

I know they are annoying, but perhaps you should return the favor and be annoying also and just announce that you hit your 12's vs 2 and 3 most of the time (cover yourself for that positive count) and perhaps you might weed out the table some.

ihate17

 

[johndoe]

Same thing happened to me recently, where someone was whining loudly about both my hitting a 12, and spreading to two hands to damage the flow. I said I'd be improving the flow, not damaging it, and when he lost his next hand, he grumbled and wandered off, leaving more of those precious cards for me. Perfecto. Later I even thought about joining another table of his knowing I could chase him off if I needed to. (Also to antagonize the jerk a bit.. but I didn't.)

 

[EasyRhino]

It gets harder when you're varying the play due to indices. At one table with two strong followers of the Almighty Flow, I had a soft 18 vs 10, I kept hitting, got a hard 16, and then stood (count was slightly positive). I would looked askance for BOTH of the decisions while making them. I don't remember the exact combination of cards, but the whole table got wiped out.

I just immediately started beating myself up about it: "OH GOD I RUINED THE FLOW OF THE CARDS!" to which the civilians had no choice but to comfort me and applaud my newfound respect for the Almighty Flow.

 

[hawkeye]

That's a great trick, start beating yourself up over the flow.

It seems like hitting the 12 is always the one that people comment on. I can't remember anyone saying anything about me ever splitting or doubling, those seems like plays to make more money so I think people respect them a bit. But I've even had dealers get on me for hitting a 12.