The best way to count cards imo.

Gamblor

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#21
FLASH1296 said:

Harry1941,

If you think that the pit fails to find it laughable that you use your chips to count cards you are sadly mistaken.

Almost as transparent is advertising (via your screen name) what may be your birth year as 1941 .
I don't know Flash, this is such an obviously bad thing to do, no competent PC would even bother to look for it. It just might work! ;)

Maybe Harry1941 is a master of camo!
 

Coyote

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#22
Because of all my practice at home I found that I was naturally scanning the table and keeping the count. I found myself taking a snapshot of the table after the dealer started the payout. I would turn and look elsewhere and mentally cancel and add up the table. I was suprised how effective it was. :grin:
 

Coyote

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#23
blackjack avenger said:
speciality drills:
repeat all the above with +20 and -20 at the beginning of the deck
Do all above while holding a conversation

Finally simulated play with a friend dealing or you dealing yourself.
A lot of my practice is like this as well as the drills using Casino Verite. Still, experience in the casino helps temendously.
 

aslan

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#24
Gamblor said:
I don't know Flash, this is such an obviously bad thing to do, no competent PC would even bother to look for it. It just might work! ;)

Maybe Harry1941 is a master of camo!
I tried keeping a side count on aces and fives the other day using chips, while also doing a level one count. It was pretty obvious what I was doing. I then switched to only counting fives, but I made it so confusing that no eye would ever be able to figure out what I was doing. I used it once to hit a 16 that I normally would not hit, but because there were so many fives left, I figured I had a better chance. I busted. I also stopped using this side count. Not that it might not work overall. When aces are plentiful it favors the player and when fives are plentiful it favors the dealer.
 

Tree

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#26
Thunder said:
I'm going to have to disagree now with all the people who have said counting cards 1 by 1 is an acceptable method. Yeah it might work but to really be a good card counter I think one has to train his or herself to be able to get the count by scanning the table with one glance when all the cards are out.

If you can do this, it will help your game in the long run because you will be able to get your drink from the waitress, talk with the pitboss and other players and appear totally at ease instead of giving off the classic cc signal where they catch you moving your eyes or head as you count. In addition, no dealer will be too fast for you. Finally, I think it will allow you to do more advanced moves that will boost your EV. Granted this is quite hard, but it's really worth training yourself to do imo.

Being a newb I have to tell you that when I first started counting a few years ago more often than not I would end up losing the count part way through the shoe and giving in to gut and BS. Obviously this was very ineffective, though I would still usually break even over time.

Then one day, I'm not sure if it was online or in one of my books, I read about scanning the table and a light came on. Counting every card individually leaves so much room to slip up (as I said I have experienced plenty), whereas with scanning you only add/subtract when a player's cards don't cancel each other out. Ever since, whenever I practice I flip through 2-3 cards at a time, and it has helped significantly.

I fully agree with your assessment.
 

aslan

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#27
FLASH1296 said:
  • For Bet Sizing one Side-Counts ACES.
  • For Playing Decisions one Side-Counts SEVENS.
Only? Or do you just think they are the best side counts in general? Don't you think a side count might vary depending on the count it is used with and also the particular game you are playing (number of decks and different rules)? It's a rhetorical question, but feel free to answer if you want.
 

prankster

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#28
Dyepaintball12 said:
Does anyone on here think 1x1 is the best method? I thought the common belief (and what I do also) is to wait for the cards to be dealt so pairs cancel out.
I don't know that 1x1 is the best method but it's what I do and it works for me. Bottom line: if you're happy and comfortable with it AND it gets the money-go with it! Good cards!:joker::eyepatch::laugh:
 
#29
kewljason said:
Well why not? his complete birth date is in his profile. :laugh:
Laugh all you want, I know what I'm doing. I don't get caught because I don't bet big. Bet big the pit bosses will be eye balling you. I make some mistakes to make them think I don't know what I'm doing, like standing on 16 against the 10.If the count is high and the dealer has 10 and I got 16,I 'll up my hand and keep 50% my bet. I'll give up 17 against the dealers 10.I split
8s and As against the dealer's 12 to 16. I never split from 17 and up.That rule that you're suppose to split 8s and As against the 9,10 and A is lot of crap. Some woman posted on the internet that the basic rules of blackjack was invented the the mob so that the player will lost.

Harry:)
 

aslan

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#30
Harry1941 said:
Laugh all you want, I know what I'm doing. I don't get caught because I don't bet big. Bet big the pit bosses will be eye balling you. I make some mistakes to make them think I don't know what I'm doing, like standing on 16 against the 10.If the count is high and the dealer has 10 and I got 16,I 'll up my hand and keep 50% my bet. I'll give up 17 against the dealers 10.I split
8s and As against the dealer's 12 to 16. I never split from 17 and up.That rule that you're suppose to split 8s and As against the 9,10 and A is lot of crap. Some woman posted on the internet that the basic rules of blackjack was invented the the mob so that the player will lost.

Harry:)
Why don't you try running a sim on that split eights rule and get back to us on what you found out? I doubt you would believe it if someone here did it for you. But you really shouldn't put you faith in what some anonymous woman posted on the internet. I mean...! :eek:
 

FLASH1296

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#31
If Harry1941 cannot fathom the concept of defensive splitting in BJ he may be beyond redemption.

Worse than the drivel he posted about not splitting 8's is this gem —

"I never split from 17 and up"

That means that for a pair of 9's he stands against dealer's 8 and 9 !

Now that is seriously self destructive;

As hard as it is to accept, there are Lost Souls out there who are beyond help.

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Recently, I was trying to tell a famous Hollywood Movie Star why he should eschew taking Insurance.
The dude was handsome but too dumb to fathom the simple arithmetic.
 

Gamblor

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#32
Harry1941 said:
Laugh all you want, I know what I'm doing. I don't get caught because I don't bet big. Bet big the pit bosses will be eye balling you. I make some mistakes to make them think I don't know what I'm doing, like standing on 16 against the 10.If the count is high and the dealer has 10 and I got 16,I 'll up my hand and keep 50% my bet. I'll give up 17 against the dealers 10.I split
8s and As against the dealer's 12 to 16. I never split from 17 and up.That rule that you're suppose to split 8s and As against the 9,10 and A is lot of crap. Some woman posted on the internet that the basic rules of blackjack was invented the the mob so that the player will lost.

Harry:)
WTF? :rolleyes:
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#36
FLASH1296 said:

Harry1941,

If you think that the pit fails to find it laughable that you use your chips to count cards you are sadly mistaken.

Almost as transparent is advertising (via your screen name) what may be your birth year as 1941 .
:birthday: Do they let people that old in here? :confused:
 

Solo player

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#39
FLASH1296 said:
  • For Bet Sizing one Side-Counts ACES.
  • For Playing Decisions one Side-Counts SEVENS.
I'm just wondering. That with unbalanced counts such as REKO-F or KO that count sevens as plus one and aces as minus one is this the reason why many of you feel these counts are inferior to other counting systems? :rolleyes:
 

FLASH1296

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#40

It has nothing to do with "feeling" one way or the other about the count used.

There is a continuum that stretches from weak counts to powerful counts.

There is also a continuum of players, from weak to strong.

At the "weak" end is someone who plays simply as recreation. He may be a tourist or a hobbyist who plays once a week with some discretionary income.

For these peeps an easy level one count, even an unbalanced one, with a handful of departure indices will suffice.

At the "strong" end, there are Professional Players who rely on their winning to support themselves financially.

For these players, a powerhouse count system is a requisite tool; e.g. Hi-Opt II.
 
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