The power of tipping

aslan

aslan

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I try to avoid dealers who


  1. are offensive, smelly, slovenly, or appear unclean
  2. never show burn cards in a store where some do show them
  3. are too fast (frantic) or too slow (sleep inducing)
  4. are obnoxious
  5. talk too much
  6. are irritating in their speech or mannerisms
  7. are adversarial in their demeanor
  8. appear counter smart and house loyal
  9. require too much maintenance
I'm sure there are more. But off the top of my head, I don't like to spend several hours in the above company. Sometimes, it can't be helped. I will ignore all of the above traits (up to a point and in varying degrees) in exchange for good pen; payouts on losing/push hands; flashed hole cards; overall inexperience in dealer, pit or both; lack of heat; a sparsely populated table; or no other alternative.

I tip modestly, but faithfully, if I win. I tip a bit more if I believe a dealer is sympathetic to counters and deals good pen to show it.
 
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zoomie

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zengrifter said:
What is your technique? zg
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I often babble about "cutting it thin," and just this seems to have an effect on some dealers. On a few occasions I have accompanied this with a red toke just as the dealer is about to cut, and maybe it is worth it. Too little data for even a feeling, let alone a firm conclusion . . . :confused:

I agree with AM that a thin cut means nothing to most ploppies and dealers. Contrast this with asking to see the burn card, which can frequently lead to some crack about counting. :rolleyes:

In some stores it is apparent that the dealers have been firmly instructed on the cut, and others not. Guess where I play? :cool2:
 
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Tico

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zoomie said:
I often babble about "cutting it thin," and just this seems to have an effect on some dealers. On a few occasions I have accompanied this with a red toke just as the dealer is about to cut, and maybe it is worth it. Too little data for even a feeling, let alone a firm conclusion . . . :confused:

I agree with AM that a thin cut means nothing to most ploppies and dealers. Contrast this with asking to see the burn card, which can frequently lead to some crack about counting. :rolleyes:

In some stores it is apparent that the dealers have been firmly instructed on the cut, and others not. Guess where I play? :cool2:
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R*s*rts?:confused: Its dealers are for sales...the bigger tips...the deeper pens:laugh:
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Tico said:
Money talks...bullsh*t works. This is exactly the case in this ###### Casino. This guy tips the dealer handsomely, and he gets 5.25 out of 6 decks pen. It seems that the management is aware of, Okay , and overlooks this tip-for-pen-practice, i.e., the Super-Catcher stands near that 6decker pit and chats away casually with other pitcritters ;)
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Tico, be more mindful of the correct location for your posts.
This thread does not belong in Eastern. Ask a mod to move it, please. zg
 
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pit15

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aslan said:
At what point do you relegate them to your "unlucky" dealer category? :confused: One bad shoe? two bad shoes? I can't get my hands around your concept.
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How lucky a dealer is has nothing to with whether I win or lose. And I'm not stuperstitious
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Tico said:
XXXXXX?:confused: Its dealers are for sales...the bigger tips...the deeper pens:laugh:
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So the only technique here is to essentially just convey to the dealer, "no pene no tippy"? Two questions:
1. does the dealer typically know that you are counting?
2. when buying pene with tokes what the amounts? Examples?

Thanks, zg

Ps - Remove the identity of club like I did above 'XXXXXX
 
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zengrifter

zengrifter

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zoomie said:
I often babble about "cutting it thin," and just this seems to have an effect on some dealers.
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"Okay thin to win! Like this see (toss chip out) Thin to win baby (wink wink nod nod) Thin to win Sally
(use cut card to demo), you know what I'm talking about, thin baby real thin, come on come on!" z:laugh:g
 
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pit15

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zengrifter said:
So the only technique here is to essentially just convey to the dealer, "no pene no tippy"? Two questions:
1. does the dealer typically know that you are counting?
2. when buying pene with tokes what the amounts? Examples?

Thanks, zg

Ps - Remove the identity of club like I did above 'XXXXXX
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At this dump you can probably get away with "I'll give you X$ a shoe to cut less then 1 deck off, deal?" and then proceed to spread min to max.
 
aslan

aslan

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pit15 said:
How lucky a dealer is has nothing to with whether I win or lose. And I'm not stuperstitious
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It was you who said it, not I.

pit15 said:
Well his post sounds like a ploppy giving the 50 bucks, but I would gladly pay to play my lucky dealers ;)

In fact, I'll only play against my "lucky" dealers.
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Sucker

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When used in this context, "Lucky" is a code word for a dealer who does something to enhance an AP's edge. For example, if you were to find a dealer who consistently gives 95% pen; you would refer to that dealer as your "lucky" dealer. This word REALLY comes in handy when the pit boss asks you "Why are you chasing this dealer around?".


There may be other, and possibly STRONGER examples than this....
 
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Tico

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Sucker said:
When used in this context, "Lucky" is a code word for a dealer who does something to enhance an AP's edge. For example, if you were to find a dealer who consistently gives 95% pen; you would refer to that dealer as your "lucky" dealer. This word REALLY comes in handy when the pit boss asks you "Why are you chasing this dealer around?".


There may be other, and possibly STRONGER examples than this....
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Ditto that.

Here's another OLD example of "lucky dealers" for APs: the some-what-handicapped-dealers (SWHDs), i.e., dealers with a little bit of down syndrome (note1), autistic spectrum disorder (DS-ASD) (note2), or nerve disorders as in uncontrollable shaking-twisting hands & facial muscles (note3).

Why would casinos hire SWHDs? bc...NJ DOL & CCC mandate that casinos must hire at least a few SWHDs in each casino. At the beginning, APs had enjoyed the extra EVs, but now Pitcritters have known about the aforementioned edges enjoyed by BJ-APs; thus, SWHDs are usually assigned to non-bj-games, but once awhile when the moon's blue, SWHDs can be found in a bj pit, usually as a relief dealer.


Note1: A dealer in Casino101 has it. Once a while he/she flips open his/her holecard absentmindedly.

Note2: Another dealer in Casino102 has it. He/She tends to make more mistakes than the regular dealers...both in favor or against all players, i.e., errors in BOTH taking in or paying out in chips; so keep your eyes open for the obvious.... ;)

Note3: This dealer in Casino103 has it. He/She :1st: has impressed me the most. If this SWHD can work for a living, there's no excuse for anyone else NOT to work. This SWHD has shaken/twisted so much while dealing, and I got seasick just looking at his/her hands and face when I walked by his/her game :1st:. I kid you guys not. If you guys have scouted AC casinos for decent games long enough, you must have seen this SWHD ;).
 
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21forme

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Tico said:
Here's another OLD example of "lucky dealers" for APs: the some-what-handicapped-dealers (SWHDs), i.e., dealers with a little bit of down syndrome (note1),

Note1: A dealer in Casino101 has it. Once a while he/she flips open his/her holecard absentmindedly.
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I know exactly who you mean :grin:

However, the best I ever saw (different city) was the dealer missing a few fingers, presumably from an industrial accident.
 
aslan

aslan

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Sucker said:
When used in this context, "Lucky" is a code word for a dealer who does something to enhance an AP's edge. For example, if you were to find a dealer who consistently gives 95% pen; you would refer to that dealer as your "lucky" dealer. This word REALLY comes in handy when the pit boss asks you "Why are you chasing this dealer around?".


There may be other, and possibly STRONGER examples than this....
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Heck, if he consistently gives 95% pen, why do you have to tip him? I'm confused...but that's nothing unusual. I guess I didn't see the OP's tongue in cheek. :laugh:
 
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Tico

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21forme said:
I know exactly who you mean :grin:

However, the best I ever saw (different city) was the dealer missing a few fingers, presumably from an industrial accident.
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Ouch! an industrial accident? Perhaps. A friend of mine accidentally saw off his fingers like the photo shown above. The cut-off fingers were too damaged to be stitched back together. Several years later a surgeon cuts off his toes and stitch them successfully as it were a thumb & an index finger :). At lease now he can grab things with his toe-thumb-fingers ;).


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eandre

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ZG, I know you have encountered dealers who know your play and maybe have not seen you in years, but remember you and know you are an AP. That is when tipping will get you the pen you want or the extra hand or two at the end. Hell,I have even had a few dealers deal down to the last 2-3-4 cards in a 2 deck pitch game. I even remember a few times when they have had to shuffle to finish a hand. I just don't stay too long. No one should think that this is an everyday occurance.
 
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