The Victor Insurance Parameter

Jack_Black

Jack_Black

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#21
Well Alan, You've just discredited yourself as a reliable author on the subject of Blackjack. I would've understood you being against taking insurance for the beginning player, as taking insurance without knowing when to it take would most definitely prove devastating. But you are touting your system with hi lo as the basis, and there are certainly times when taking insurance will be profitable. Each and every count system has an insurance efficiency score that shows you how accurate the system is for taking insurance.
 
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ALANEM

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#22
#22
Insurance

Listen Jacko--Next time YOU research, edit, and write, and PUBLISH A BOOK on Blackjack--then you can decide WHO is "a reliable author on the subject of Blackjack."
Look around you in the casino--MOST Blackjack players are novice, or "beginning" players. Even "experienced" players like my relative in NJ plays like she is a novice player. For them Insurance is a SUCKER bet!
REMEMBER--“Insurance Pays 2 To 1” is written across the felt of the Blackjack table for a REASON!!
The casino WANTS you to take insurance!
 
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johndoe

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#24
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ALANEM said:
Listen Jacko--Next time YOU research, edit, and write, and PUBLISH A BOOK on Blackjack--then you can decide WHO is "a reliable author on the subject of Blackjack."
Look around you in the casino--MOST Blackjack players are novice, or "beginning" players. Even "experienced" players like my relative in NJ plays like she is a novice player. For them Insurance is a SUCKER bet!
REMEMBER--“Insurance Pays 2 To 1” is written across the felt of the Blackjack table for a REASON!!
The casino WANTS you to take insurance!
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Luckily, you've already done all of those things, and your posts have proven without a doubt that you are NOT a reliable (or knowledgable) blackjack author. Many of the naive new players here in this forum know far more than you.

We all know that for a basic strategy player, insurance is a bad bet. So what? Taking insurance at the correct time is one of the largest EV boosters there is. That you would dismiss this entirely clearly proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.

If this kind of nonsense is typical of what's in your book, you owe every single one of your customers a full refund.
 
daddybo

daddybo

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Jack_Black said:
Well Alan, You've just discredited yourself as a reliable author on the subject of Blackjack. I would've understood you being against taking insurance for the beginning player, as taking insurance without knowing when to it take would most definitely prove devastating. But you are touting your system with hi lo as the basis, and there are certainly times when taking insurance will be profitable. Each and every count system has an insurance efficiency score that shows you how accurate the system is for taking insurance.
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JB..I don't know the SEX system.. but just from scanning the home page, I would say it's probably not a good idea to take insurance with this particular system. It is apparently NOT a counting system. It doesn't even claim to be able to get an edge on the house. (just lower the average players disadvantage). Looks more like a tutorial on how to play as an infrequent tourist type player and not make the big -EV mistakes that many make. Since I have not read it, I can't say what value it may or may not have.

-db
 
Deathclutch

Deathclutch

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--As the cards are dealt out during Blackjack, the odds swing back and forth, favoring either the player or the casino. The skilled player can determine WHEN the odds favor the player. By using the correct playing decisions and increasing bet size at these favorable times, you can cut the casino advantage to near zero!
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Judging by this on the website, it would appear to be so.
 
Jack_Black

Jack_Black

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Yay for Alan! He wrote a book! He's a big boy now! Do you want a cookie or something? Maybe a scratch n sniff sticker that says "you're great!" Dan Quayle, sara palin, and john patrick have written books, and they all sucked.

I already said in my post that if you're giving advice to the really bad BJ player then it's okay to say insurance is a bad idea. But don't butt in on a conversation between advantage players about advanced insurance strategies if you don't know what you're talking about.

D Bo, we discussed this on another thread about his system, and some people who had the book said that it included hi lo. which if it does, it makes his system even worse since he knows about card counting, but doesn't know anything about insurance plays.
 
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Deathclutch

Deathclutch

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To be fair, we don't actually know if this is the book's author. It's not hard to be who you want on the internet. Maybe someone with the book could enlighten us on what it says about insurance decisions.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Deathclutch said:
To be fair, we don't actually know if this is the book's author. It's not hard to be who you want on the internet. Maybe someone with the book could enlighten us on what it says about insurance decisions.
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Perusing the SEX BJ TOC - appears not - insurance is never to be taken. zg
 
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ALANEM

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The S.E.X. Blackjack System!

Wow! Lots of anger and arrogance here from the expert advantage counters!​
Although it is true that with enough time, patience, and effort to learn and practice counting, many people can make some money playing Blackjack. However--MOST Non-Pro players have thier hands full trying not to LOSE money playing BJ!​
Most people play Blackjack with their emotions in control of their playing decisions, rather than intellect. This is the reason that it’s so easy for the casino to win that advantage from the player—hand after hand.​
Many of these players read this Forum. My book was written for these players.They don't spend their life trying to make a living from Blackjack.​
From the book: On New Year’s Eve, I have only one question for you: “After playing Blackjack all year, did you WIN money or LOSE money?” How often do you hear people boast about how well they play (like on this Forum!) Others will boast that they play at the Hundred dollar tables with the "real pros". Are you impressed?
Don’t be impressed by boasting Blackjack players until you ask them my New Year’s Eve question. If they finished the year with a POSITIVE cash flow from Blackjack, you can be impressed!​
Note to the Big BJ advantage boasters here: Do you think that Steve Wynn and Donald Trump are aware that you guys are playing BJ in their Billion Dollar Casinos and afraid that you might bankrupt them!
sexbj.com​
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Jack_Black

Jack_Black

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ALANEM said:
Note to the Big BJ advantage boasters here: Do you think that Steve Wynn and Donald Trump are aware that you guys are playing BJ in their Billion Dollar Casinos and afraid that you might bankrupt them!
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What kind of question is that? you obviously don't know a thing about how advantage players are treated in a casino. Which means that your system is no threat to the casinos. To answer your dumb question, yes they are afraid of us. That's why we and suspected players are asked not to play blackjack, because they know we WILL take their money, as opposed to your system, which just minimizes the losses on the player's side.

You should change the name of your system to the S.U.X. blackjack system.
 
Deathclutch

Deathclutch

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I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to get some thoughts on something new here.

I'm finding that with Hi Opt II I have little difficulty as long as I'm not attempting to adjust my RC with a SC of aces. The SC itself is not hard however. Running some sims shows that I'm not giving up too much in DD games by not SC aces for betting purposes, so I'm thinking of using the VIP for insurance, but not for adjusting my bet unless there is a very disproportionate amount of aces left or missing. Can anyone confirm that I'd still be playing a decent game if I don't bet with the ASC?
 
Deathclutch

Deathclutch

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Also, has anyone checked the legitimacy of the VIP? Can't run a sim of it with QFIT's software, so I'm not sure how else it could be checked out.
 
Deathclutch

Deathclutch

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Here are the 6 Deck numbers for those who want to use this with Hi Opt II along with a simple rule to help you remember them.

If the number of unseen aces is 18 or higher and your RC is at least 4 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

If the number of unseen aces is 17-12 and your RC is at least 3 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

If the number of unseen aces is 11-6 and your RC is at least 2 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

If number of unseen aces is 5-1 and your RC is at least 1 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

For last ace use TC method.

Unseen Aces/RC to take insurance
23/27
22/26
21/25
20/24
19/23
18/22
17/20
16/19
15/18
14/17
13/16
12/15
11/13
10/12
9/11
8/10
7/9
6/8
5/6
4/5
3/4
2/3
1/2
0/TC
 
nightspirit

nightspirit

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Deathclutch said:
Here are the 6 Deck numbers for those who want to use this with Hi Opt II along with a simple rule to help you remember them.

If the number of unseen aces is 18 or higher and your RC is at least 4 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

If the number of unseen aces is 17-12 and your RC is at least 3 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

If the number of unseen aces is 11-6 and your RC is at least 2 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

If number of unseen aces is 5-1 and your RC is at least 1 higher than unseen aces, take insurance.

For last ace use TC method.

Unseen Aces/RC to take insurance
23/27
22/26
21/25
20/24
19/23
18/22
17/20
16/19
15/18
14/17
13/16
12/15
11/13
10/12
9/11
8/10
7/9
6/8
5/6
4/5
3/4
2/3
1/2
0/TC
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It get's even simpler for Hi-Opt II, take Insurance if your RC+ASC >= 25 for 6D. ;)
 
Deathclutch

Deathclutch

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nightspirit said:
It get's even simpler for Hi-Opt II, take Insurance if your RC+ASC >= 25 for 6D. ;)
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Actually that's probably a better way of looking at it, good call! Although it needs to be broken down a bit.

With 18 or more unseen aces, or 6 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 28.

With 17 to 12 unseen aces, or 7-12 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 27.

With 11-6 unseen aces, or 13-18 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 26.

With 5 to 1 unseen aces, or 19-23 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 25.

1 Ace left use TC method.
 
nightspirit

nightspirit

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Deathclutch said:
Actually that's probably a better way of looking at it, good call! Although it needs to be broken down a bit.

With 18 or more unseen aces, or 6 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 28.

With 17 to 12 unseen aces, or 7-12 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 27.

With 11-6 unseen aces, or 13-18 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 26.

With 5 to 1 unseen aces, or 19-23 seen aces RC + ASC needs to be at least 25.

1 Ace left use TC method.
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I used CVData for the index I gave in my previous post. Hi-Opt II has a IC of ~0.93 using this method.
I don't have the files from my old researches but I guess you are using formula from the bjforum article about VIP?
VIP seems a bit more accurate I guess but I see no way to compare both methods using CVData.
 
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