Time to put it out there.

[v.mike]

Hello to all and thanks for all the time everyont puts into this....My question is
1. Dose anyone have a counting system thay use for this game with these rules...6D 75%pen
2. H17,DOA,DOS,A's one card.
I use the high lo system and have sat threw aprox 400 shoes and have been verry acurate with the running and the conversion to a true count but what seems so strange is that at high counts I lose my shirt..Is it because with this system a spoter never has the edge? is the BP the only way to win with this system....I do know about the index and chang in BS and have done some research on the subjict and I get mixed reviews on index play.
So I am of the mind that the only way to win is to Wong in at a high count and act the big player. Any help is welcome. Mike.

 

[prankster]

Wow-400 shoes. I use the KissIII count with the same rules and usually somewhat better pen. Sometimes I backcount and Wong in and out,sometimes play all-but my results are really good. Could you be making errors when converting from running count to true count? Also I just use a few indices on the more common hands and of course the insurance bet.
Maybe you're over complicating things a bit? Good luck.:joker:

 

[Cherry7Up]

Mike, are you adjusting your bets according to the count or just adjusting your playing decisions? I was wondering because you asked if there is any way for a spotter to win--if by that you mean can you win by betting only the table minimum, then I would think no. You will need to vary your bets (i.e. bet low at low counts and bet high, as much as 20 times as much, at high counts).

My apologies if you are already doing this and I just misunderstood.

 

[v.mike]

Back at ya...

Thanks for the feeback
Look this is my problem...First off I do adjust my bets acording to the count and what's happining is at my higher true counts say from 7 to12 with 3 decks left at the seat I'm at I'm drawing stiffs and dubbles that dont made **** for a hand and the dealer is drawing 19's 20's . Thes is not a figment of my sick head I've been keeping records of W . L. P.

 

[creeping panther]

Mike

Hello to all and thanks for all the time everyont puts into this....My question is
1. Dose anyone have a counting system thay use for this game with these rules...6D 75%pen
2. H17,DOA,DOS,A's one card.
I use the high lo system and have sat threw aprox 400 shoes and have been verry acurate with the running and the conversion to a true count but what seems so strange is that at high counts I lose my shirt..Is it because with this system a spoter never has the edge? is the BP the only way to win with this system....I do know about the index and chang in BS and have done some research on the subjict and I get mixed reviews on index play.
So I am of the mind that the only way to win is to Wong in at a high count and act the big player. Any help is welcome. Mike.

Mike,

I don't like the game you are playing. You need lS and RSA or draw to split aces and another *thing* to be better. With that game you are really wasting your time, sorry.

CP

 

[rukus]

Thanks for the feeback
Look this is my problem...First off I do adjust my bets acording to the count and what's happining is at my higher true counts say from 7 to12 with 3 decks left at the seat I'm at I'm drawing stiffs and dubbles that dont made **** for a hand and the dealer is drawing 19's 20's . Thes is not a figment of my sick head I've been keeping records of W . L. P.

just bad variance. welcome to the world of card counting. that type of variance can go on for at 50 hours at a time (i tell you this from my own and others records of play). it is painful but you need to be sure youre sizing bets properly to withstand these swings.

also, you should really look into index plays, they are quite valuable....

 

[Unshake]

That game isn't all that great but it is still possible to beat it. How large of a spread are you using (IE what do you bet at a TC of 0 1 2 3 4 5 etc)?

 

[Sonny]

Keep this in mind: Even in high true counts you are more likely to lose the next hand than win it. Keeping track of the wins/losses/pushes is not helpful. In order to get an advantage you will need to adjust the size of your bets based on the count. Wonging is even better since you can avoid the negative counts that drain your bankroll and increase your risk.

-Sonny-

 

[v.mike]

Thanks all

To prankster: Doing my conversions is on the money when coming up with my true count because I'm playing at my shop. I have a partner to run these sims with and we can make exact true counts. The remainind decks devided into the running count gives a true count and subtract one for my bet too simple.
cherry7up: cherry what I am trying to say is the seat I am playing at seams to at high counts never has a chance with this system where as if a player comes in at high counts only and puts up big bets my sims show me that that player is getting great cards and it shows in the W,L,P, records I keep.
Panther: with this hi lo sistem can you tell me what game and rules you'd look for?
ruckus:When I was living in Vegas a guy stoped by one night when I was in the shop and on the end of a tow chain was the nicest pitbull named rukus his owner had to find him a new home so I took him and he turned out to be verry cool. So rucus are you telling me to quit crying and play threw the bad cards ? I'd like to change my game but here in San Diego the games have the same rules from casino to casino.That is why I keep loking for a system to use that might give me a chance...by the way what game and rules do you play ?

 

[fwb]

It's just variance. For every +1 TC, your advantage increases by roughly 0.5%. So, even in the rare situation where you may get as high as +20TC (I see this about once every 5-10 hours), your win rate is around 60%. Plenty of room there to land on the bad side of things in a short string of bad luck. This means in really good counts, you're getting about a 10% average return on your money, which is about what the stock market has been historically...and as you know, the stock market has sure had it's ups and downs, but remains positive in the long run.

Keep at it. I try not to base my emotions based on the outcome of hands- instead I just remain happy and confident that I am making the statistically advantageous moves and don't really care what actually happens.

 

[Grisly Dreams]

If your game allows surrender, learning more than just the "Fab 4" can help. Try, say, a Magnificent Seven.

Also, wonging is your friend.

 

[creeping panther]

Mike

To prankster: Doing my conversions is on the money when coming up with my true count because I'm playing at my shop. I have a partner to run these sims with and we can make exact true counts. The remainind decks devided into the running count gives a true count and subtract one for my bet too simple.
cherry7up: cherry what I am trying to say is the seat I am playing at seams to at high counts never has a chance with this system where as if a player comes in at high counts only and puts up big bets my sims show me that that player is getting great cards and it shows in the W,L,P, records I keep.
Panther: with this hi lo sistem can you tell me what game and rules you'd look for?
ruckus:When I was living in Vegas a guy stoped by one night when I was in the shop and on the end of a tow chain was the nicest pitbull named rukus his owner had to find him a new home so I took him and he turned out to be verry cool. So rucus are you telling me to quit crying and play threw the bad cards ? I'd like to change my game but here in San Diego the games have the same rules from casino to casino.That is why I keep loking for a system to use that might give me a chance...by the way what game and rules do you play ?

Being a winning AP is very tough and you need a fine game and skillz to win, contrary to what others will probably tell you.

On 6d, LS, h-17 or S-17, doa, das, RSA, or DDOSA, go back and forth between number of hands, split 3 times, hand shuffle or machine shuffle and 80%.

CP

 

[clouds]

Hello,

Your question is very good and I often share the same frustration while at the table. I'm putting in my highest bets at high counts without second guessing that I'll get a blackjack, or 20 at best!

But yes, like you and many others we get dealt lucky 13 or even better a 17 against a dealer's face..

The only way to explain all of this is VARIANCE. It happens, but in the long run, you'll get more better hands than garbage ones, and it's all just a matter of patience. Those shoes DO come around and your variance will straighten out over a period of time, so stick with it!