Undetectable BackCounting Method?

[Bigvick]

Hey guys, new to the forum here and really interested in becoming a AP.

So here is my method on undetectable back counting in my local casino.(NOT TESTED)

The Back Counter goes and plays the roulette wheel that is directly across from the 25$ blackjack table.

When you play roulette you can perfectly see all of the action on the blackjack table by simply looking straight ahead so it would not be hard to Back Count or noticeable at all..

Then place the bet's on the numbers for what the count is and use these guidelines for negative and positive.

1-18 would be negative count
19-36 would be positive count

So placing chips on 5 and 1-18 would be a -5 count..

Would this work or would it be to obvious? - Couldn't this be a easy way to Back Count(Possibly in a team)? - The BP could watch the roulette game and no one will suspect for a minute that they are waiting for the count to get good..since they are not even watching the BJ game..

 

[dangeroso]

What's wrong with just standing behind a BJ table and counting? It's cheaper than betting on Roulette.

 

[Kasi]

1-18 would be negative count
19-36 would be positive count
So placing chips on 5 and 1-18 would be a -5 count..
Would this work or would it be to obvious? - Couldn't this be a easy way to Back Count(Possibly in a team)? - The BP could watch the roulette game and no one will suspect for a minute that they are waiting for the count to get good..since they are not even watching the BJ game..

I don't know - I'd at least consider just playing at the same tablle with your teammate and have him spread min alot in -counts and eat the -counts. I think it would increase your win rate compared to playing all hands by yourself.

I'd worry alot more about whether it's obvious or not than figuring out what it does to your money assuming it's not obvious.

No point in committing suicide incognito.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

You realize you'd be far better off doing play all at the BJ game than playing roulette, right?

 

[zengrifter]

You realize you'd be far better off doing play all at the BJ game than playing roulette, right?

Well, ya, but all the seats at the BJ table were filled. zg

 

[Bigvick]

I mean only 1$ wagers on the numbers so it wouldn't really be that bad...

The casino I play at has very very high heat, they stand over the games like a hawk...so I have to think of some way to back-count instead of standing behind the table and when I do get in only play a few hands before leaving...

Going somewhere else is not a option right now so I am trying to make a bad situation work, they offer a real good game....

I don't know - I'd at least consider just playing at the same tablle with your teammate and have him spread min alot in -counts and eat the -counts. I think it would increase your win rate compared to playing all hands by yourself.

I'd worry alot more about whether it's obvious or not than figuring out what it does to your money assuming it's not obvious.

No point in committing suicide incognito.

That does make a lot of sense..

 

[duanedibley]

Hey guys, new to the forum here and really interested in becoming a AP.

So here is my method on undetectable back counting in my local casino.(NOT TESTED)

The Back Counter goes and plays the roulette wheel that is directly across from the 25$ blackjack table.

When you play roulette you can perfectly see all of the action on the blackjack table by simply looking straight ahead so it would not be hard to Back Count or noticeable at all..

Then place the bet's on the numbers for what the count is and use these guidelines for negative and positive.

1-18 would be negative count
19-36 would be positive count

So placing chips on 5 and 1-18 would be a -5 count..

Would this work or would it be to obvious? - Couldn't this be a easy way to Back Count(Possibly in a team)? - The BP could watch the roulette game and no one will suspect for a minute that they are waiting for the count to get good..since they are not even watching the BJ game..

 

[Sonny]

There are a few problems with your system. First, Roulette is a very slow game. Much slower than a standard BJ game. You’re looking at about 30-35 spins per hour compared to 60-100 hands per hour. You will not be able to signal the count on every hand because the ball is still spinning or the dealer is still making the payouts. You will miss about 50-70% of your signals using this method. Most of the time your BP will be staring at you waiting for a signal, then having to play without any information because you are still waiting for the spin to end.

Also, your method may be undetectable but your strategy isn’t. If your BP’s bets are moving with the count then he will get busted, especially if the casino is as sweaty as you say. It doesn’t matter if it looks like he is counting or not. Anybody watching his play will be able to see that he is betting with the count. They probably won’t know how, but they won’t care.

If you insist on playing under these conditions you will need to know how to turn the bosses. They can’t ban people they can’t see. But that isn’t something you need to worry about just yet. It will probably take a year or so before your skills are strong enough to play seriously in a casino. Start with that and learn the camouflage techniques later. You don’t need to hide something that doesn’t exist yet.

-Sonny-

 

[blackchipjim]

The count

I agree with Sonny's reply he hit it right on the head. Too slow and accuracy will be hurt immensily. Teams run signals that can be repeated without detection and no one would ever detect their use. If you are in that type of casino with that amount of heat you are better off seeking more fertile ground elswhere. blackchipjim