unusual situation

shadroch

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#2
As a rule- no. As an occasional mistake, yes.

Several years ago, the now defunct Sands in Ac offered a very short lived one on one BJ game dealt from three decks. Initially, the dealer didn't show his down card if you busted, but that changed after a day or two. Whole promotion only lasted a few weeks.
 

Friendo

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#4
Ploppies will put up with this?

Lonesome Gambler said:
Yes, there are a few Native casinos that do this.
Wow. I would think the customers would protest that unanimously: the counters for obvious reasons, and the ploppies because they need to know if next time they should split those 5s to "save the table."

The superstitious students of card flow would see this as a slap in the face.
 

laserjet

Active Member
#7
The place that I saw this qualifies as a sweaty dump. I was only there briefly and didn't figure it was a mistake. Not worth protesting at the time.
 

johndoe

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#8
laserjet said:
Have any of you ever seen a dealer that did not expose his second card when all the players have busted?
I've seen this with a few dealers at regular, even large stores. Asking "what would have happened" is fine and common when they do skip it.
 

cyclist

Active Member
#9
I've seen a lot of dealers that just flash it really fast and scoop them all up, but they almost always at least turn it over....
 
#10
There was a game I was playing where there was a sidebet that depended on the dealer busting. In heads-up situations, in low counts, it was worth it to play $1 on the sidebet just to force the dealer to play out his hand if I busted.
 

aslan

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#12
How about when you are sitting at third base, or next to third base, and the dealer hits first base but his hands cover the hit from where you are sitting so that you don't know what the hit card is? The hit busts the player at first base, and so the dealer removes his cards quickly still without revealing to your eyes the value of the hit. In fact it is super fast and takes place almost in one continuous motion.

There is some heat, so you don't want to ask the dealer what the bust card was.

If you remember that the player's first two cards were 10/6, do you count the bust card as a 10 for counting purposes, since there are approx. 4 chances to 1 that it is a 10? Or, do you ignore the bust card, since you don't know for sure?

IF you would count it as 10 above, would you also do so if you knew the player at first base had a 15? A 14? Note: You are counting 2,3,4,5,6,7 as +1 and TJQKA as -1 in your unbalanced counting system (KO). Would it make a difference if you were using HiLo?
 
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Thunder

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#13
Aslan, let me guess. This is a middle aged white woman at the Borgata who deals like this ;) It's a tough situation. I usually just try to find another table or switch to another seat if possible.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#14
Thunder said:
Aslan, let me guess. This is a middle aged white woman at the Borgata who deals like this ;) It's a tough situation. I usually just try to find another table or switch to another seat if possible.
She may be one of them. :laugh: I have actually run into this on more than one occasion.

She's fast, isn't she?
 
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aslan

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#16
tthree said:
Don't count the card. You didn't see it and there are to many possibilities.
The way I have been thinking about it, at some point it should be counted, for instance, if the known chances for it being a ten were 90%. After all, even True Count is fractional.

I did some research. If you erroneously counted a 0 value card as -1, it would change the point where you raise your bet from 1 to 2 units (assuming a 1:2:4:8 betting spread) from +2 to +3, since your true count would be lagging by 1 around 0. That would amount to about a -.07% difference in win rate. Not a big deal if you did make a mistake.
 
#17
aslan said:
The way I have been thinking about it, at some point it should be counted, for instance, if the known chances for it being a ten were 90%. After all, even True Count is fractional.

I did some research. If you erroneously counted a 0 value card as -1, it would change the point where you raise your bet from 1 to 2 units (assuming a 1:2:4:8 betting spread) from +2 to +3, since your true count would be lagging by 1 around 0. That would amount to about a -.07% difference in win rate. Not a big deal if you did make a mistake.
In this case 4/8 times it would be a ten. Assuming your count 2/8 it would be a 6 or 7. The average is +1*2/8 + -1*4/8 = -.25. The closest integer is 0. A stiff of 14 or less has the closest integer is -1.
 

aslan

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#18
tthree said:
In this case 4/8 times it would be a ten. Assuming your count 2/8 it would be a 6 or 7. The average is +1*2/8 + -1*4/8 = -.25. The closest integer is 0. A stiff of 14 or less has the closest integer is -1.
I don't have the faintest idea what you just said. :laugh:
 
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