Want to get back into countin..... the right way

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troyer

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Hey all,
Well around 3 or 4 years ago i was down on vacation in florida and wanted some reading material, preferably about poker. There was a used book store and it had no poker books but a book for $2 about counting in blackjack. I read and studied and quickly learned BS and the plus/minus count. That's about as far as i got. In 2005, i learned about bonus whoring online and made a nice little profit of around 5k in a few months. Sadly, i spent that all. Anyways, I want to get back into counting and actually LEARN and PRACTICE how. I have a general idea of betting strategies for counts and know what the running and true count are (although i do need a little more help with these). I know some general practice methods also. I guess this is going to be sort of a diary, inspired by another thread. Are there any online casinos still available to U.S. players where you can bonus whore? I need to build up a bankroll.
 
jack.jackson

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Lazy Man's TC Conversion

For 6 Deckers::From the Bottom up


5D>RC=TC(87%pen)
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4D>1/2RC=TC
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3D>1/3RC=TC
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2D> 1/4RC=TC

1D>1/4RC=TC*
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Empty DiscardTray

*For example if your RC is +8 and theres 1D in the Discardtray your TC=+2

Note: A TC of +2 Usually Justifys standing on 12 vs 2 In Level 1 counts.
 
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troyer

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thank you. Quick question about online casinos. Is this worth it?

(Dead link: http://www.lasvegasusacasino.com/promotions.php)

to bonus whore and build a bankroll.
 
aslan

aslan

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jack said:
For 6 Deckers::From the Bottom up


5D>RC=TC(87%pen)
______________
4D>1/2RC=TC
______________

3D>1/3RC=TC
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2D> 1/4RC=TC

1D>1/4RC=TC*
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Empty DiscardTray

*For example if your RC is +8 and theres 1D in the Discardtray your TC=+2

Note: A TC of +2 Usually Justifys standing on 12 vs 2 In Level 1 counts.
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What if your RC is -8? Is TC then -32? <---Edit--actually it should be -2, right?
 
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sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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aslan said:
What if your RC is -8? Is TC then -32?
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no.... for example for all practicle purposes with at least a deck cut off....
if the RC = -8 then the lowest the TC would be is -8/1 = -8 . that's with just using full deck estimation.
 
aslan

aslan

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sagefr0g said:
no.... for example for all practicle purposes with at least a deck cut off....
if the RC = -8 then the lowest the TC would be is -8/1 = -8 . that's with just using full deck estimation.
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So what's your rule? You only divide by 4 in plus territory?
 
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sagefr0g

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aslan said:
So what's your rule? You only divide by 4 in plus territory?
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no.......... divide by the pack's original #decks - #decks (rounded to nearest integer) in discards regardless of plus or negative territory.
well i did it differant than Jackson's lazy rules lol. but only a bit.....
here's my lazy rules:
for six deck game
circa 1 deck in discards tc = RC/(6-1)
circa 2 deck in discards tc = RC/(6-2)
circa 3 deck in discards tc = RC/(6-3)
circa 4 deck in discards tc = RC/(6-4)
circa 5 deck in discards tc = RC/(6-5) for all practical purposes it's over here....
 
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troyer

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Ok, I think i am going to but the KO blackjack book. I know its a little different than Hi/LO. I really need to read up though as i only have a basic understanding. Im working on my counting speed, have the deck counted in 40 seconds now. Looking to get to 25 before i hit the casino. I also need to read on how much to spread and when. In the meantime, anyone know if its still possible to bonus whore online in the U.S. so i can build somewhat of a bankroll?
 
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aslan

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sagefr0g said:
no.... for example for all practicle purposes with at least a deck cut off....
if the RC = -8 then the lowest the TC would be is -8/1 = -8 . that's with just using full deck estimation.
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Wouldn't it be -1.5 with one deck gone? Or -2 with your lazy estimation.
 
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sagefr0g

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aslan said:
Wouldn't it be -1.5 with one deck gone? Or -2 with your lazy estimation.
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yep tc = rc/5 = -8/5 = -1.6 = circa -1 is how i'd do it but -2 yeah that too lol. if that doesn't seem crazy enough.
i missed your edit on the previous post where i was thinking you were comming up with -32 somehow, obviously a miss-type. but hey we can come up with all kind of numbers depending on who pipes in here. :rolleyes:
cause we can be lazy, estimate decks how ever, truncate, round or floor the resultant tc or even keep the resultant tc to some significant number.
there might even be a right way to do it. but one thing is that there isn't supposed to be a linear relationship for the degree's between tc's and sometimes not even between tc's : see second graph in link below....
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/truecount2.htm
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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troyer said:
Ok, I think i am going to but the KO blackjack book. I know its a little different than Hi/LO. I really need to read up though as i only have a basic understanding. Im working on my counting speed, have the deck counted in 40 seconds now. Looking to get to 25 before i hit the casino. I also need to read on how much to spread and when. In the meantime, anyone know if its still possible to bonus whore online in the U.S. so i can build somewhat of a bankroll?
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I see we managed to scare you away from the TC conversionns..:laugh:

See what we did sage....lol

As far as bonus whoring goes. Uh.......um .........:confused: Ya know, thats a good question!
 
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troyer

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jack said:
I see we managed to scare you away from the TC conversionns..:laugh:

See what we did sage....lol

As far as bonus whoring goes. Uh.......um .........:confused: Ya know, thats a good question!
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hahah sort of. I had a general idea of RC and TC and how they work but ive decided KO may be better suited for me to start off live play. The only thing is now i have to go through and practice again with 7's getting a positive count rather than neutral.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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jack said:
I see we managed to scare you away from the TC conversionns..:laugh:

See what we did sage....lol
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lol yeah well the combination of the 'ga-zillion level strategized count' guy and the 'awe to hell with it jus watch the cards' guy should be enough to have the most stalwart of souls running for the hills. :devil:
jack said:
As far as bonus whoring goes. Uh.......um .........:confused: Ya know, thats a good question!
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and a question that's been asked repeatedly with no response. so what does that tell you. probably yeah there is a way but for now maybe it's a trade secret. :eyepatch:
 
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troyer

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sagefr0g said:
lol yeah well the combination of the 'ga-zillion level strategized count' guy and the 'awe to hell with it jus watch the cards' guy should be enough to have the most stalwart of souls running for the hills. :devil:


and a question that's been asked repeatedly with no response. so what does that tell you. probably yeah there is a way but for now maybe it's a trade secret. :eyepatch:
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haha thanks. Well i hope someone lets me in on the trade secret. :eyepatch:
 
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rukus

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troyer said:
hahah sort of. I had a general idea of RC and TC and how they work but ive decided KO may be better suited for me to start off live play. The only thing is now i have to go through and practice again with 7's getting a positive count rather than neutral.
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stick with hilo if youve already got the counting down. seriously, learning to convert to true count should take you about 2 days to calibrate your eyes and mind (probably about a solid day of using CVBJ drills or a discard tray and 6-8 decks of cards and then another day to just practice some basic division). thats just my opinion if youve already got the running count for hi low down.
 
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