Ways to disguise

RenoRenagade

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#1
So im trying to figure out good ways to disguise the counting .

one way that seems to work is the every 10-15 hands you put a dollar on the sucker bet ( which sometimes actually wins lol ) and make a comment about feeling lucky . I found that when I bet that they just overlooked me thinking I was nothing to worry about and when I bet the sucker bet with a big bet and that comment they just thought I was some idiot .

What you guys think ??

What are good other ways to disguise ?? Some tactics you use ?
 

runningaces

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#2
I'm actually working another type of disguise, my appearance, I know with facial recogn. tech they can see through wigs, fake must. etc... but I'm just talkin about a lil facial hair, some glasses and a stupid hat, I'll dress like ****. Next time I'll be clean cut and dress up a bit. LOL my hope is just to have the dealers and pits not really recognize me 3-4 weeks later when I return, I will only play 15-60 minutes each place/session.

I've only been banned at 2 casinos, got a keep it that way. My wife thinks I'm absolutely nuts but she likes the $$$$$$$$$$
 

aslan

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#3
I'll do the sucker bet occasionally. If I actually hit it, I might play it more often, since I do feel more at ease in making my spreads at plus counts. Just be careful as everyone is always telling me, not to cover away your advantage. lol
 

moo321

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#4
runningaces said:
I'm actually working another type of disguise, my appearance, I know with facial recogn. tech they can see through wigs, fake must. etc... but I'm just talkin about a lil facial hair, some glasses and a stupid hat, I'll dress like ****. Next time I'll be clean cut and dress up a bit. LOL my hope is just to have the dealers and pits not really recognize me 3-4 weeks later when I return, I will only play 15-60 minutes each place/session.

I've only been banned at 2 casinos, got a keep it that way. My wife thinks I'm absolutely nuts but she likes the $$$$$$$$$$
I think you grossly overestimate the capacity of the average surveillance crew. Facial recognition software barely works, even if they can get a good picture. Most surveillance guys spend their days zooming in on women's asses, and making sure the dealers aren't stealing.
 

EasyRhino

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#5
Some side bets can be readily counted. Lucky Ladies and over/under are the ones that come to mind.

By nature, I don't really like the side bets though. I don't even like the pair plus bet in 3 card poker (and everyone thinks I'm INSANE when I don't play it).

moo321 said:
Most surveillance guys spend their days zooming in on women's asses,
Who wouldn't? Although I guess this means it's better to do more gaming while there's a bunch of hot chicks in the casino.
 

aslan

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#7
moo321 said:
I think you grossly overestimate the capacity of the average surveillance crew. Facial recognition software barely works, even if they can get a good picture. Most surveillance guys spend their days zooming in on women's asses, and making sure the dealers aren't stealing.
One "eye," a lady, told me that she never forgets a face. She says it is not possible to sneak in once she has spotted you as a counter. She says she can see through disguises, mustaches, hats, clothing changes, etc. I doubt if its true, however. It's a claim that she has no way of proving. The same counters may be revisiting her in disguise and she just doesn't realize it.
 

moo321

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#8
aslan said:
One "eye," a lady, told me that she never forgets a face. She says it is not possible to sneak in once she has spotted you as a counter. She says she can see through disguises, mustaches, hats, clothing changes, etc. I doubt if its true, however. It's a claim that she has no way of proving. The same counters may be revisiting her in disguise and she just doesn't realize it.
Now, don't get me wrong here; there are phenomenal surveillance crews, that will nail your counting ass in a second. They're just few and far between.
 

RenoRenagade

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#9
ok so today I went in my work clothes(which i will keep confidential lol ) and that kinda worked cuz I was able to make the dealers beleive I had a long day at work lol . Funny thing it was before I went to work lol



Also wouldnt this work ?

If you usually play 5$ tables and play there with a min 5$ bet and max lets say 40$ bet then wouldnt it be good to sit at a 3$ table and min bet 5$.

So you wont look like a counter since you wont be min betting, since no counter would bet above min unless they had a reason to . You will just bet what you usuallly would on a smaller table. You would just have to make your max bet like 30$ .

I dont know may be dumb but just some ideas
 

bj bob

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#10
RenoRenagade said:
ok so today I went in my work clothes(which i will keep confidential lol ) and that kinda worked cuz I was able to make the dealers beleive I had a long day at work lol . Funny thing it was before I went to work lol
6 inch stilettoes and a G-string? Working at the Tranny Shop on S. Virginia. Now that would be one hell over a cover play! (Just teasing, but the image just overtook me, couldn't help it).
 

RenoRenagade

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#11
bj bob said:
6 inch stilettoes and a G-string? Working at the Tranny Shop on S. Virginia. Now that would be one hell over a cover play! (Just teasing, but the image just overtook me, couldn't help it).

lol

No but I think that it helps that I work for a place known for bronze and not brains.
 
#12
Since I am completely new at counting, and we are only in the process of training, my brother and I did think of new ways to disguise bet spreading once we 'get there'.
So this one only works if you are working with partners but I quite liked his proposition: 'The Gamblers'. The nice thing about it is that you don't have to pretend not to know eachother. You assume the role of two degenerate gamblers that will bet on anything, any time (think Esfandiari v Laak in 'I bet you' for ideas, youtube it!). Since you're betting your combined bankroll on these props, the net result to you is 0. But the more open and outrageous you and your bets are, the more the casino's will think you are just degenerates having a good time. At the table, eg. ask your partner to pay you the bet you won from him for standing on your head for an hour, bet you can get closer to the dealer's age/weight/# of kids, ex-wives etc. banter back and forth. Then when the count is high, bet that you can make more in x hands than your partner. The trick is to come across as your idea coming out of the blue, so the hard part is keeping the count while seeming uninterested (we are training hard as you can imagine!) Your partner accepts. Increase your betsize. Your partner then throws a fit saying that there was no agreement on increasing betsizes. On the next hand your partner can now increase the bet even more untill you reach point X, all the while trying to outdo eachother within the spread. The downside is that regardless of the TC you will have to stop at X and that if you keep doing this each time will eventually clue in the pit, but scenario's can be devised to counter that as well. It might even be possible to have a non-counting partner play out this scenario, given the right cues it should work.

Now nobody will want to hear this, but on a particularly good night, you might want to give up some winnings in order to seem loose. For example, on occasion, spend a percentage of your winnings at the craps or roulette tables. If you are a welcome guest by this point, the pit will recognize you and just think you are gamblers. These are just a few scenario's we built on 'the Gamblers' and short term -EV long term +

Shoe skipping, or purposely not increasing your betsize on a +TC game is something else we thought might keep the heat down if you feel you are being watched or just to keep a seeming variance in your game.

Andy Bloch's DVD suggests making bonehead plays every now and then, especially when you are betting the minimum.

The next one might seem childish, but have your girlfriend (not playing BJ) order drinks: one apple juice and a scotch. Then simply have her dump out the scotch (hey, she can drink it if she wants!) and pour apple juice in the tumbler far away from the pit or table. Diluting cokes with water to make them look like mixers is an other idea. We're working out how to do this as smoothly as possible.

We hope with proper role play scenario's and casino observed false variance (-EV/+EV again) never to get there, but ultimately there will be that pesky realm of physical disguises... hope it won't come to that.

Also, flame away if you think our idea's are dumb and we don't know what we're talking about. You might even be right!
 

E-town-guy

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#13
Those are good ideas but you don't want to waste your winnings or time on other games unless you really feel its necessary. Such evasive methods may only be necessary if you're playing the higher limit tables with a large EV that can justify spending some money on those extras.
 
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