What is this method called?
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Soft doubling and BS
I too found the soft doubling to be last part of BS to be committed to memory. I found it easy once I memorized the shape of the the soft doubling block.
It is shaped like a staircase. Each step is 2 blocks high. There are 3 steps. It should be fairly obvious were the staircase fits into the strategy chart. Use this sites basic strategy engine to see what I mean. You should feel comfortable with these doubles in no time.
I too found the soft doubling to be last part of BS to be committed to memory. I found it easy once I memorized the shape of the the soft doubling block.
It is shaped like a staircase. Each step is 2 blocks high. There are 3 steps. It should be fairly obvious were the staircase fits into the strategy chart. Use this sites basic strategy engine to see what I mean. You should feel comfortable with these doubles in no time.
darkassassin89 said:
Ok i have been trying to perfect the Hi-Lo count and i can usually get through 2-3 decks After that i get distracted X( still need some work lol.
Any ways, i came across a method that was intresting to me... No one has a name for it ( saw 2 vids on youtube jus describing simple directions)
2-9 = +1 T-K = 2- and then u count the ace's as a side count.
Now i did some digging and found hi-op 2 is very similar to this
however 8 and 9 are zero value and 4 and 5 are plus 2
(for reasons i do not know but can assume are still better for the player)
Is there a name for the method i just described above? Like a hi-opt 1 1/2 lol bc it is very similar to hi-op 2
please correct me if i said anything wrong and thanks in advance
Any ways, i came across a method that was intresting to me... No one has a name for it ( saw 2 vids on youtube jus describing simple directions)
2-9 = +1 T-K = 2- and then u count the ace's as a side count.
Now i did some digging and found hi-op 2 is very similar to this
however 8 and 9 are zero value and 4 and 5 are plus 2
(for reasons i do not know but can assume are still better for the player)
Is there a name for the method i just described above? Like a hi-opt 1 1/2 lol bc it is very similar to hi-op 2
please correct me if i said anything wrong and thanks in advance
But don't believe me, we're all involved in a massive conspiracy against the guy on YouTube.
Since you asked for advice, I will give mine. Zen is a fine count and not a bad choice. If you learn it thoroughly, it is more than adequate. However, whatever count you choose, learning it thoroughly is much more important at this point than which count you choose. Whatever number of indicies you decide to learn, you need to know them front and back. And you have to be able to play that count at near 100% accuracy.
That said, my advice is hi-lo. personally, I play blackjack for a living and I use hi-lo. I went back to hi-lo after a period of learning and playing a level 2 count. I don't want to open the door for the whole hi-lo vs level 2 count debate again, but I would advise you to go back and re-read the earlier post in this thread by bigplayer. I couldn't agree more with everything he says.
That said, my advice is hi-lo. personally, I play blackjack for a living and I use hi-lo. I went back to hi-lo after a period of learning and playing a level 2 count. I don't want to open the door for the whole hi-lo vs level 2 count debate again, but I would advise you to go back and re-read the earlier post in this thread by bigplayer. I couldn't agree more with everything he says.
Are you sure they have early surrender? I'm pretty sure everything in the area is late surrender. I just want to make sure you're using the correct strategy and win rates. And a lot of the games have gone to H17 so they can be tough to beat with solo straight counting. There are a few double deck games but they may not be in your area, or they might be in the high roller pit. The shoe games are probably a good place to start though.
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It may have been later surrender. If there is an ace up they always ask for insurance 1st then surrender, so my mistake. Late is what they offer. I usually take it with an ace up with 17 or lower. (this is me not counting) With basic strategy i usually have a great time and tend to break even.
I do up my bet when im winning tho. Example: Bet 1 unit win, leave my winnings so bet 2 units win 4 units take back 1 now im playing with casino money. IF i can time this betting patteren well enough while counting i would be able to build my bets and never make is seem like im jumping from 1-5 instead it was progressive.
I do get tho that it is hard to win 3 hands in row then have a high count out there. But it can not be impossible, just in probable X(
I do up my bet when im winning tho. Example: Bet 1 unit win, leave my winnings so bet 2 units win 4 units take back 1 now im playing with casino money. IF i can time this betting patteren well enough while counting i would be able to build my bets and never make is seem like im jumping from 1-5 instead it was progressive.
I do get tho that it is hard to win 3 hands in row then have a high count out there. But it can not be impossible, just in probable X(
Watched the video. I think his assertion that hi-lo is flawed and doesn't work is flawed and not supported by the text he quotes. The book he's reading from says the creator admits to an error in his analysis and that some playing decisions are wrong, but I don't think the creator is asserting hi-lo as a whole doesn't not work. He's just saying the first publication of it was not perfect.
I wouldn't believe that hi-lo is a bad system based on this video.
I wouldn't believe that hi-lo is a bad system based on this video.
The first BJ book I read was WGBJB, but I never played hi-opt 1. I am not the brightest guy in the world and didn't know much about blackjack, but it quickly seemed to me that in a game where the BJ payoff was 3-2, the aces were very important and needed to be included in the tracking procedure somehow. So I read a couple more books, one by SW and hi-lo which accounted for the ace seemed to make a whole lot more sense to me, even at that stage.
basic Hi-opt 1 does not side count aces. It only counts 3-6 vs 10 value. Most people go on to side count aces, as you obviously did, but the basic count does not include an ace side count, as evident by low betting correlations.
http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm
http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm
HILO needs an ace side count anyway
He's saying side count aces for bet sizing and certain play decisions on specific hand match ups. HIOPT I very strong PE for level 1, with side count aces considered BC better than HILO. HILO tells you when there are lots of tens and aces as a sum of the 2. You bet big because of the likelihood of a BJ. But what if the aces are depleted? Your BJ likelihood is actually quite small. HIOPT I side count aces best of both worlds.
He's saying side count aces for bet sizing and certain play decisions on specific hand match ups. HIOPT I very strong PE for level 1, with side count aces considered BC better than HILO. HILO tells you when there are lots of tens and aces as a sum of the 2. You bet big because of the likelihood of a BJ. But what if the aces are depleted? Your BJ likelihood is actually quite small. HIOPT I side count aces best of both worlds.