What's the common consesus about the integrity of Indian Casino games?

[FrankieT]

What's the consesus about the integrity of tiny shithole, remote Indian Casinos? I'm not talking about huge metropolitan casinos - i.e. Potowatami of Milwaukee and Mystic Lake twin cities; talking about the much smaller Indian casinos located an hour away from any major metropolitan area.

I'm sure it's a dumb question, but i've never seen it thoroughly discussed on these forums before. Feel free to give me you're answer to the question and/or troll away .

 

[HockeXpert]

What's the consesus about the integrity of tiny shithole, remote Indian Casinos? Because of the low level of regulation, is game integrity something to be mindful of? I'm not talking about huge metropolitan casinos - i.e. Potowatami of Milwaukee and Mystic Lake twin cities; talking about the much smaller Indian casinos located an hour away from any major metropolitan area.

I'm sure it's a dumb question, but i've never seen it thoroughly discussed on these forums before; so I went ahead and made the thread. Feel free to give me you're answer to the question and/or troll away .

Caveat emptor.

 

[paddywhack]

Caveat emptor.

'nuf said

 

[tthree]

I would have a plan to verify the contents of the shoe if they don't show the cards before opening a table. Perhaps backcounting a few shoes for particular cards; aces, fives, and tens are likely to be cards removed or added.

 

[Blackjackdealer]

All indian casinos have to report to a gaming commission that is tied into the state. The gaming commission oversees all operations to verify the games are fair to the players. That is the loose explanation.

 

[FLASH1296]

blackjackdealer's comment lacks credibility, inasmuch as the state commission agents collect a paycheck and do little or nothing else.

However, tthree's advice mirrors my own. However if their BJ games are H17 then they will add fours (4's), not fives to the shoe.
That way not only are there counterfeit inflated True Counts, but the 4's increase the likelihood of the dealer's Soft 17 being promoted to a hand of 21.

 

[Blackjackdealer]

There are no cards to added to shoes... All decks are verified by human as such to satisfy to the commission and maintain the integrity of the game. They don't need to cheat to take your money from you, its part of the game. Shuffling machines even verify decks to ensure all cards are accounted for during shuffles.

 

[FLASH1296]

Now this is the silliest statement of the week:

"Shuffling machines even verify decks to ensure all cards are accounted for during shuffles."

The A.S.M. merely counts the cards to be sure that the correct number of cards are there.

p.s. I have seen Indian casinos "spread" new cards while there is nothing but a casino employee or two observing !

 

[Blackjackdealer]

New machines can actually verify individual cards. Not all games have them though. Your negativity is rather unwarranted though. I am able to provide direct information on the subject and you insult me for it? Cards are spread when they are introduced on games regardless of who is watching. It is the dealers and the floors responsibility to inspect the deck, which has already been thoroughly checked by the manufacturing company. Card security is very very high. As a precaution, the eye is always on the game as well. That is standard procedure in any casino.

 

[FLASH1296]

The S.O.P. (Standard Operating Procedure) in Atlantic City (for instance) is that a patron
must not only be present, but must be seated at the table when the cards are "spread".

 

[Blackjackdealer]

Patrons are typically not interested in the card spread and will often stand up to use their cell phones or restroom during that period. It has nothing to do with anyone trying to hide anything from players. That is interesting that it is required in A.C.

 

[Gamblor]

New machines can actually verify individual cards. Not all games have them though. Your negativity is rather unwarranted though. I am able to provide direct information on the subject and you insult me for it?

Please provide direct information if you can.

I can support Flash on this, had a machine spew out a deck with half the cards face up, with a green light. I told the dealer just deal it like that, the machine indicated everything is right with the shuffle Almost certainly the machine did not check individual cards. Assume its new machine, a new ASM machine in a new casino.

 

[21forme]

New machines can actually verify individual cards.

I've seen 3CP and other poker game shuffle machines used to sort the cards back in order when they change decks. Scary, isn't it?

 

[FLASH1296]

It is not just A.C. it is S.O.P. in most places.

 

[creeping panther]

Deadly

What's the consesus about the integrity of tiny shithole, remote Indian Casinos? I'm not talking about huge metropolitan casinos - i.e. Potowatami of Milwaukee and Mystic Lake twin cities; talking about the much smaller Indian casinos located an hour away from any major metropolitan area.

I'm sure it's a dumb question, but i've never seen it thoroughly discussed on these forums before. Feel free to give me you're answer to the question and/or troll away .

I am greatly offended by your term, "tiny,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

Some offer the best games you can find and I have never been cheated yet. Some of these tribes are poor and have been through hell since the 1800's.

Show some respect and empathy.

CP

 

[The Chaperone]

However if their BJ games are H17 then they will add fours (4's), not fives to the shoe.
That way not only are there counterfeit inflated True Counts, but the 4's increase the likelihood of the dealer's Soft 17 being promoted to a hand of 21.

I already proved this statement to be incorrect about a month ago. But you just make the same exact false statement again? Do you ever learn?

 

[Blackjackdealer]

New shuffle machines can read cards and verify they are all in tact. Cards can be arranged in order (A-K, suits) by the machine as stated. I believe they are illegal in some states since the machine can in fact read the cards. Thats the basics of it.

 

[FrankieT]

I am greatly offended by your term, "tiny,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

Some offer the best games you can find and I have never been cheated yet. Some of these tribes are poor and have been through hell since the 1800's.

Show some respect and empathy.

CP

No offense intended. I didn't mean that they are shitholes so to speak, but are located in shitty areas - as in remote areas.

 

[Blackjackdealer]

It is my experience that the smaller tribes often offer better promotions in order to compete with the large boxes.

 

[psyduck]

No offense intended. I didn't mean that they are shitholes so to speak, but are located in shitty areas - as in remote areas.

Then why not just say remote areas? It bothers me that people look down on others just because they are poor. I dealt with many poor people early in my life. Many of them had greater qualities than the richer people I know now.