At what point (TC) in a shoe do you typically wong out? Assuming there are plenty of other tables with your preferred game available. I play mainly 6D games and don't usually consider leaving until about half the show is gone and the TC is around -3. Is there a standard rule of thumb for this? Thanks for your input.
Wonging out point
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(Assuming your TC numbers are from High-Low)
If you have an unlimited number of shoes, Wonging out at -1 works and if you are more than halfway through the shoe, you can leave if you are still at 0.
If you have no place to go except the rest room until the shuffle, -2 will do. -3 is too low in any circumstance.
If you have an unlimited number of shoes, Wonging out at -1 works and if you are more than halfway through the shoe, you can leave if you are still at 0.
If you have no place to go except the rest room until the shuffle, -2 will do. -3 is too low in any circumstance.
Wonging Out
I use a RC for wonging as this automatically adjusts the TC wongout point by shoe depth. The TC tends to remain constant but the RC tends to move to 0, so it's more likely to have a big minus RC early in the shoe than at the end and with a few rounds to go before the shuffle it's much easier to just grind out the few rounds or sit out and let others eat up the rounds.
I use a W/O point of -12 High-Low and only wongout after losing a hand. My sims show that this equates to a wongout point of about an average of -3 True. I also spread very very big which is a form of wonging itself.
I use a RC for wonging as this automatically adjusts the TC wongout point by shoe depth. The TC tends to remain constant but the RC tends to move to 0, so it's more likely to have a big minus RC early in the shoe than at the end and with a few rounds to go before the shuffle it's much easier to just grind out the few rounds or sit out and let others eat up the rounds.
I use a W/O point of -12 High-Low and only wongout after losing a hand. My sims show that this equates to a wongout point of about an average of -3 True. I also spread very very big which is a form of wonging itself.
Monte
If, lets say, I am at a table and the dealer is doing some very good things, exceptional things, in a shoe game,(actually run into this alot), and I have no intention in leaving that table for good... I may leave for a potty break or phone call at -4,,,may. In this situation you cannot constantly wong out and come right back with the new shuffle without causing problems for yourself, because you may want to play this table for the entire dealers shift. In the neg times you can just drop to the min bet, and play a very aggressive negative indice game, actually to a point neg. situations may play in my favor, as I play them. If you are a ST'er and the shuffle is of interest to you hanging around with a very min. bet may have alot of appeal.
One other thing about aggressive wonging, it can really bring down the heat, casinos do not like it and will for sure target you once they soon realize what you are doing.
In the end it is to each his own, as the conditions and situations warrant. There is actually far more involved than just sterile exit points.
Also note that I am talking shoe, not DD in the above.
CP
If, lets say, I am at a table and the dealer is doing some very good things, exceptional things, in a shoe game,(actually run into this alot), and I have no intention in leaving that table for good... I may leave for a potty break or phone call at -4,,,may. In this situation you cannot constantly wong out and come right back with the new shuffle without causing problems for yourself, because you may want to play this table for the entire dealers shift. In the neg times you can just drop to the min bet, and play a very aggressive negative indice game, actually to a point neg. situations may play in my favor, as I play them. If you are a ST'er and the shuffle is of interest to you hanging around with a very min. bet may have alot of appeal.
One other thing about aggressive wonging, it can really bring down the heat, casinos do not like it and will for sure target you once they soon realize what you are doing.
In the end it is to each his own, as the conditions and situations warrant. There is actually far more involved than just sterile exit points.
Also note that I am talking shoe, not DD in the above.
CP
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creeping panther said:
If, lets say, I am at a table and the dealer is doing some very good things, exceptional things, in a shoe game,(actually run into this alot), and I have no intention in leaving that table for good... I may leave for a potty break or phone call at -4,,,may. In this situation you cannot constantly wong out and come right back with the new shuffle without causing problems for yourself, because you may want to play this table for the entire dealers shift. In the neg times you can just drop to the min bet, and play a very aggressive negative indice game, actually to a point neg. situations may play in my favor, as I play them. If you are a ST'er and the shuffle is of interest to you hanging around with a very min. bet may have alot of appeal.
One other thing about aggressive wonging, it can really bring down the heat, casinos do not like it and will for sure target you once they soon realize what you are doing.
In the end it is to each his own, as the conditions and situations warrant. There is actually far more involved than just sterile exit points.
Also note that I am talking shoe, not DD in the above.
CP
One other thing about aggressive wonging, it can really bring down the heat, casinos do not like it and will for sure target you once they soon realize what you are doing.
In the end it is to each his own, as the conditions and situations warrant. There is actually far more involved than just sterile exit points.
Also note that I am talking shoe, not DD in the above.
CP