You're about to wong in, and one of the ploppies asks you to wait...

[21forme]

Happened to me yesterday. Count is good, I sit down and a woman at the table asks me to wait until the end of the shoe.

I politely said to her I'm ready to play now and if she wanted people to wait, there were plenty of tables where no mid-shoe entry is permitted and she should be at one of those.

She cashed out and I played (all the more cards for me.)

Now if it was some big, drunk guy, I'm sure it would not have been so easy. How do you deal with that situation?

 

[SystemsTrader]

Happened to me yesterday. Count is good, I sit down and a woman at the table asks me to wait until the end of the shoe.

I politely said to her I'm ready to play now and if she wanted people to wait, there were plenty of tables where no mid-shoe entry is permitted and she should be at one of those.

She cashed out and I played (all the more cards for me.)

Now if it was some big, drunk guy, I'm sure it would not have been so easy. How do you deal with that situation?

Good for you its the ploppies loss! If the count is really good when you hit the table do not make eye contact with anyone and immediately place your bet in the circle. If they say anything totally ignore them like you have no clue they are talking to you.
If a conversation can't be ignored turn it on them and ask them why it matters? After they give you their ploppy logic tell them the shuffle is all random anyway and they are just being superstitious. The conversation usually ends here and you can go on betting. Another thing you can say is don't worry I will bring you luck and if they win they are happy you joined if they start lossing then maybe they will get all upset and leave giving you more rounds of good cards!

 

[ThunderWalk]

I'm easy going.

If anyone wants to jump in at any time, I don't mind, but it seems others frequently disapprove of it. I feel that, with relieve dealers always burning a card when they come in, people suddenly playing two hands and then switching back to one hand, players hitting when they should have stayed, or because they had a "hunch, the shoe is always changing whether people wong in and out or not.

When I approach a table, I always wait for a new shoe, but then, I'm not employing a counting system yet. What I do find annoying is when someone passing the table stops and tosses hundred on the table, plays one hand, looses, and then leaves. I know he wasn't standing behind us counting because I saw him passing by. It seems like a disrupton for no reason.

Like everyone else, I've seen strange characters acting in odd ways at a Blackjack table. I'm not as concerned with someone using their skills to make a profit, as I am with civility at the table and respect for other players, even if they are not of the "true faith."

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Happened to me yesterday. Count is good, I sit down and a woman at the table asks me to wait until the end of the shoe.

I politely said to her I'm ready to play now and if she wanted people to wait, there were plenty of tables where no mid-shoe entry is permitted and she should be at one of those.

She cashed out and I played (all the more cards for me.)

Now if it was some big, drunk guy, I'm sure it would not have been so easy. How do you deal with that situation?

Being I am myself a big drunk guy, I just do exactly what you did! Big men are somewhat less likely to take a petty disagreement to a physical level than the other kind are. We don't need to cop a hostile attitude to communicate to others we can't be pushed around. I'd worry more about a woman making a scene at the table.

One thing that helps is if you are betting at a higher level than they are. The smaller bettors tend to defer to the larger ones. If you are Wonging in, chances are you are betting big so that helps somewhat. It can be a problem when there is a whale at the table. You Wonging in with a smaller bet actually helps the casino, but they tend to protect their whales. You are right though- most casinos have NMS tables and a person who is sensitive about this should play there. Being I Wong out instead of in, I also prefer NMS because I can get a good count all to myself for a shoe.

 

[jimpenn]

Thunderwalk...get used to it

Black Chip'r could have had a spotter.

AM wonging out probably makes most sense playing NME shoe. My only chance of winning in AC is wonging in and out. If your at a casino to relax and enjoy the game then forget it. Wonging is work, constantly moving with devil eye suits you have not seen laugh in months, social interaction with players when casino/table full. In addition, on average I would say I get about 15 plays an hour with 5 large bets. I will not make one bet if I don't think I have the advantage. (Counting)

 

[rogue1]

the thing that troubles me

is when they just jump in and totally affect the Sacred Order Of The Cards.

 

[EasyRhino]

When I hop in, about half the time, I'm deferential (actually ask the players if I can join the fun), and the other half, I just plop in and say "hi" and start betting.

Had a moderately strange occurence this weekend. Old asian ploppy lady was just to the left of first base, which was open. Was backcounting, count got good, sat down at firsts base, and the move her bet over to my spot, and just glared at me. In genuine befuddlement, I asked her if she was playing that spot. The dealer jumped in and pointed me out to a free spot in the middle of the table, so I just moved over there before we had to throw down. Then the lady actually shifter her seat over to first base.

I get annoyed when folks jump in when the count is good. When I see someone buy in with only $20, I wish really hard they they'll bust out and have to leave. I'm a horrible horrible person.

 

[ScottH]

When I see someone buy in with only $20, I wish really hard they they'll bust out and have to leave. I'm a horrible horrible person.

I also wish that people bust out. I would rather have people take the casinos money, but when they are at my table, I wish they would lose all their money. I am just a greedy bastard I guess...

 

[jimpenn]

Rhino

"Left of first base" Rhino

I always thought of it as next to first base. Just curious Rhino, not being a smart ass. How many bases are there?

 

[EasyRhino]

How many bases are there?

Seven.

I would have said "second base", but I'm not really sure if that would mean immediately adjacent to first base, or the dead middle of the table (3rd/4th).

Third base is, of course, seventh base.

 

[21forme]

Rhino - you would have really confused Jim if you said shortstop

Getting back to my original story - at that point, I think I had backcounted 5 shoes, waiting for a good count. I was tempted to say "lady, I've been backcounting too many bum shoes to pass this one up."

 

[halcyon1234]

Seven.

I would have said "second base", but I'm not really sure if that would mean immediately adjacent to first base, or the dead middle of the table (3rd/4th).

Third base is, of course, seventh base.

How does the infield fly rule fit into this?

 

[mrbill]

Had a moderately strange occurence this weekend. Old asian ploppy lady was just to the left of first base, which was open. Was backcounting, count got good, sat down at firsts base, and the move her bet over to my spot, and just glared at me. In genuine befuddlement, I asked her if she was playing that spot. The dealer jumped in and pointed me out to a free spot in the middle of the table, so I just moved over there before we had to throw down. Then the lady actually shifter her seat over to first base.

May have been she prefers first base but sometimes plays the next spot so it's easier for the dealer. That's what I do at one of the casinos I go to. The tables seem a little small so it can be awkward for the dealers dealing to first base. I generally sit in the first base chair but play the spot next to it. I tell the dealer what I am doing and will move over to the first base spot if the table fills up. They seem to appreciate it.

I prefer first base because the odd plays bother me less if they are to the left of me. Intellectually I know it really doesn't make a difference, but they still bother me less.

 

[Preston]

Happened to me yesterday. Count is good, I sit down and a woman at the table asks me to wait until the end of the shoe.

I politely said to her I'm ready to play now and if she wanted people to wait, there were plenty of tables where no mid-shoe entry is permitted and she should be at one of those.

She cashed out and I played (all the more cards for me.)

Now if it was some big, drunk guy, I'm sure it would not have been so easy. How do you deal with that situation?

I haven't had much of a problem with this, but I don't wong in much. I'm more a fan of wonging out.

HOWEVER usually when I see a count spike up it means the dealer is drawing out on the players and not busting. So usually I just sit down and say "mind if I sit down and change this bullshit up?"

Usually the ploppies say "please do."

 

[ihate17]

What if the ploppy lady was not a ploppy

You know the lady was a ploppy only because she left when you sat down, but what if she was a counter and you are now wonging into the shoe that she waited on to turn good? She would have stayed and you would have been "stealing her shoe" We generally do not try to jump into another counters count but we also do not wear signs on our backs saying who we are so it does and will happen.
You jump in and see your bets and hers going up or down together or something similar and figure it out. Then you shoujld leave.

When the count is good, winning or losing, I will ask people to wait. When the count is poor but I am not wonging out, I will ask for all the help I can get (means card eaters wanted).

ihate17

 

[21forme]

You know the lady was a ploppy only because she left when you sat down, but what if she was a counter and you are now wonging into the shoe that she waited on to turn good?
ihate17

I watched her play for 3 or so decks. I know she wasn't counting, based on her play and betting.

 

[Cardcounter]

I tell them I'm here to changed there luck for the better!!!

If they where having a really bad shoe which they usually are if you want to get in there on a positive count. I tell the people at the table that I came to change their luck and guess what the likely hood of blackjacks are higher so the players start to have better luck. This makes me go from a player who wasn't wanted a second a go to the guy that brought them good luck. I have even seen some big players give smaller players money when they bring them good luck or the cut the cards good. If things are going really well for the player I tell them that I'm here to keep there luck going. In both cases the players respond well to me coming in on the middle of the decks and it is easier to get them to show me there cards. The other players cards can contain valuable information to me on the decisions I should make with my own hand or deviate from basic stragedy. If a player asks me for advice I will give them the best advice I can advice that makes them win more and lose less because they are helping me too win more to because they show me there cards when asking for advice.

 

[mdlbj]

Happened to me yesterday. Count is good, I sit down and a woman at the table asks me to wait until the end of the shoe.

I politely said to her I'm ready to play now and if she wanted people to wait, there were plenty of tables where no mid-shoe entry is permitted and she should be at one of those.

She cashed out and I played (all the more cards for me.)

Now if it was some big, drunk guy, I'm sure it would not have been so easy. How do you deal with that situation?

Its your table, you have the advantage, fugg her.. Im putting the chips out. But, you throw down a stack of hundreds and they tend to moisten their lips rather than biaaatch..

 

[Bojack1]

Playing on a team using the sytem we do, the whole premise is based on wonging into and out of shoes. Most times I never am there for the start of the shoe and a lot of times I'm not there for the finish of it either. So I deal with this all the time, but it really is nothing. Aside from the very rare case of extreme annoyance, I just jump in and start playing. If someone has something to say I just smile and nod and place my bet. It may appear to some as if I'm just some grinning idiot, but killing them with kindness, seems to work to the point that after 1 or 2 hands most don't even think about it. I look at it this way, this is my job and people depend on me to do it. There is nothing personal one way or the other. I don't know these people who's game I'm jumping into, and I also know I'm not really hurting anyones play. Its business cut and dry, and its a good attitude to have because it makes it easier to let the remarks bounce off without worry. Of course there are extreme circumstances where you may need to address things differently, but you will notice the less you care about anything other than your game, the less the distractionof a ploppy's comment is. Treat blackjack what it is, a carefully laid out mathematical plan, there is only black and white, that makes things easy. If the count is good than must play, if the count is bad than you must not. Everything else is a minor irrelevence. Once you can really believe in that conclusion with conviction, your confidence in how you handle yourself will shut people up quicker than any comment you might make to them.

 

[ScottH]

and I also know I'm not really hurting anyones play

In a way you are costing everyone at the table money because you are taking up cards in good situations and then leave them to play the bad ones. I agree that it is business as usual, but you really can't justify doing it by saying it doesn't affect anyone, because it really does.