Shuffle team play #1

You do that once, or for each 26-cards? zg

So Close Yet So Far

Your formula?
How good is that?
It won't matter you wont have time anyway.

for someone who discribed yourself as a newbie when you first posted 5 weeks ago after only your second blackjack experience, you seem to be moving in several different directions at lightning speed. Anxious to see the results of your labors. best of luck and keep us posted

You sure are going to be pissing a lot. You start sticking your hand down your pants and they will arrest you for being a pervet. Pocket pool is not a casino game it is only played in the privacy of ones own home.

I think maybe you should stick around and see the shuffle and see how well the half decks end up where they are supposed to go, and how fine the riffles are. Of course, you will want to get back in time to see exactly where the cards are cut too. Oppps, I actually shuffle track so nevermind.

I think you'll need to post some pics of your wife before we can decide how good this system works.

Not sure about Inplay's assursion that pocket pool can only be played in ones home, as I believe there are those that even play "away" games. :laugh: However he does raise the point that constantly placing your hand in and out of your pocket doesnt appear the norm. They may think you have an electronic device or are pocketing chips. In addition, placing a pointed item such as a pen in one's front pocket can have painful consequences when making a hasty retreat from the casino. Just more thought for consideration.

How many threads are getting derailed at the moment because some of the more "senior" posters think that the question's silly? I've only looked through a few and every one i've looked at seems to be going that way.
Some people would do well to remember that they were beginners at one time too.
Ricopuno - what your talking about is basically map tracking, but with a device. If you use a computer to work out how you should play - even if you do it in the toilet - you are breaking the law and subject to harsh penelties.
More than that though, map tracking requires a very simple shuffle and a very very consistent dealer. They need to shuffle the cards in a near identical fashion every time, grabs the same size, splits the stack in the same proportions etc etc.
If you are interested in shuffle tracking, get your counting skills up to scratch first, make sure you can estimate the remaining cards to a 1/4 deck accuracy as a minimum (in fact i'd recommend an1/8 of a deck accuracy), then read Snyder's 'Shuffle Tracker's Cookbook'.
If you're not brillient at counting, you're going to lose a lot of money trying to shuffle track.

RJT,

And have her stick her hand down your pants instead. It's more fun that way.

Seriously, I have software that does the exact same thing, but requires an observer on a cell phone who is talking to a computer operator in some other place. It could be construed as illegal but it would be impossible to prove that I'm using a computer because the computer is thousands of miles away. All I'm using is a cell phone. This technique is only usable on a small minority of shuffles, and which shuffles they are and what makes them trackable is something we never talk about in public.

When I said pants I meant the pocket of my pants where the small pen and paper are hidden.

By the way there are a few perverts card counters in here!:flame::flame::flame::laugh::laugh::laugh::whip::whip::whip:

I practice counting everyday. and I can now count 17 sec. and going.


thanks for the reply guys.

I wouldn't get too hung up on how quickly you can count a deck down. This exercise is really just to help you associate the count value with a particular card.
Once you've got it under 20s i'd move on to more useful exercises - like playing through a shoe while counting.

RJT.

I originally replied to this post on Snyder's website, but I'll repost it here.

Even if this technique weren’t illegal, it still probably wouldn’t work. First of all, you’re going to run into trouble if you’re trying to count exactly 26 cards. Your wife is going to signal you while the dealer is in the middle of dealing the cards to everybody. Did she signal when the third player got his first card, or after the fourth player got his? What if the 26th card is the dealer’s hole card? You can’t count that until the end of the round, but you’ll have to start a new count for the next 26 cards before that, then go back and add the hole card to the previous count. You’ll also have to count the cards individually as they are deals instead of counting them in pairs or canceling the whole table at once. That is going to be more difficult and a lot more obvious to everyone else at the table. You are going to look like a rookie card counter. I wouldn’t be surprised if you miss a lot of signals because your eyes are darting all over the table during each round instead of watching for your wife’s signal. And even if you do manage to get the count for exactly every 26-card segment, do you think the dealer is going to grab exactly 26 cards every time? No way. There’s really no reason to make such an effort to count exactly 26 cards. It’s only going to cause more mistakes. Just use visual estimation. As ETFan said, if your estimation skills aren’t better than ¼ deck then you aren’t ready to track shuffles.

Secondly, you really need to be at the table while you are shuffle tracking, not hiding in the bathroom. The whole point of shuffle tracking is to visually follow the cards as the dealer shuffles. If the dealer makes inconsistent grab sizes (which most do) then you need to account for that in your formula. If the relief dealer breaks the discards differently than the regular dealer then you will be tracking the wrong cards and your formula will be completely wrong. Even a slight change in the location of the cutoff plugs or your deck estimation can render shuffle tracking useless. Arnold warns about this kind of blind map-tracking in his cookbook. He also covers simplifications that you can use and practice drills that you will need to master before you can even think about shuffle tracking. Reading that book will save you a lot of time, mistakes and money.

And what if you don’t get back to the table in time to see the cut? Then you’ve done all that work for nothing. Also, since you won’t be able to cut the cards yourself you will have to rely on a random cut from a stranger that will often not be helpful. These are all issues that will become apparent once you start practicing at home. The more you practice, the fewer questions you will have.

-Sonny-

Thanks guys.....

I agree with what you said Sonny and RJT.