Thats not even funny anymore

#1
So i went to AC and this is just a joke. I went to 4 diffrent casinos down there and i dont know how to win. First i was up 2 units then i was down 15 units, then i was up 10 units and then i lost 10 units, so basically i lost 13 units and thats all when i was playing with the good deck +1 and up

One time i lost 6 times in a row ! on a true count +2 How is that even possible ??? I quit after that and i left home

It seems like the dealer almost always gets a 10 and then another 10 or bj while i get a 10 and then 3 or 5, i mean thats bs

I dont know how can i bring the house down, maybe if i had like 100000to play with cuz thats no even fair, im trying to make some money and i end up with losing money. I realy cant believe after all that time i spend to learn how to count cards i lost
 
#2
rabbit

rabbit215 said:
So i went to AC and this is just a joke. I went to 4 diffrent casinos down there and i dont know how to win. First i was up 2 units then i was down 15 units, then i was up 10 units and then i lost 10 units, so basically i lost 13 units and thats all when i was playing with the good deck +1 and up

One time i lost 6 times in a row ! on a true count +2 How is that even possible ??? I quit after that and i left home

It seems like the dealer almost always gets a 10 and then another 10 or bj while i get a 10 and then 3 or 5, i mean thats bs

I dont know how can i bring the house down, maybe if i had like 100000to play with cuz thats no even fair, im trying to make some money and i end up with losing money. I realy cant believe after all that time i spend to learn how to count cards i lost
Probably because the game sucks and you are just new to the game.

Counting alone is a rough way to make the money...you need skillz and a fine game. It is not like in the movie 21.

CP
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#3
rabbit215 said:
So i went to AC and this is just a joke. I went to 4 diffrent casinos down there and i dont know how to win. First i was up 2 units then i was down 15 units, then i was up 10 units and then i lost 10 units, so basically i lost 13 units and thats all when i was playing with the good deck +1 and up

One time i lost 6 times in a row ! on a true count +2 How is that even possible ??? I quit after that and i left home

It seems like the dealer almost always gets a 10 and then another 10 or bj while i get a 10 and then 3 or 5, i mean thats bs

I dont know how can i bring the house down, maybe if i had like 100000to play with cuz thats no even fair, im trying to make some money and i end up with losing money. I realy cant believe after all that time i spend to learn how to count cards i lost
Because you cannot control the cards that you receive nor the cards that the dealer gets. I've had the same thing happen for 10 consecutive sessions. I do well when the count is low or negative and then lose horribly when the count gets high and there's more money on the table. On 3 different occasions I lost every single bet when there were more than 2 units involved.

It's still a game of chance and luck whether you're counting and supposedly have a .5-2% advantage or playing Basic Strategy with a .5% or so disadvantage. It really makes no difference because the other 98-99% is luck. The only difference is if you're counting the amount you win or lose will be greatly magnified during high counts as opposed to flat betting.

I'm sure I'll get flamed to death for making this post but I followed the advice here and lost a significant amount of money in doing so and I'm not going to keep quiet about it anymore. I'm going to keep counting but I'm not going to keep spreading 12-1 or more. I'm going to go 4-1 or maybe even 2-1, and if that doesn't work I'm going to go back to flat betting against CSMs which I did very well against before I took up counting.
 

Deathclutch

Well-Known Member
#4
21gunsalute said:
Because you cannot control the cards that you receive nor the cards that the dealer gets. I've had the same thing happen for 10 consecutive sessions. I do well when the count is low or negative and then lose horribly when the count gets high and there's more money on the table. On 3 different occasions I lost every single bet when there were more than 2 units involved.

It's still a game of chance and luck whether you're counting and supposedly have a .5-2% advantage or playing Basic Strategy with a .5% or so disadvantage. It really makes no difference because the other 98-99% is luck. The only difference is if you're counting the amount you win or lose will be greatly magnified during high counts as opposed to flat betting.

I'm sure I'll get flamed to death for making this post but I followed the advice here and lost a significant amount of money in doing so and I'm not going to keep quiet about it anymore. I'm going to keep counting but I'm not going to keep spreading 12-1 or more. I'm going to go 4-1 or maybe even 2-1, and if that doesn't work I'm going to go back to flat betting against CSMs which I did very well against before I took up counting.
And when you can't overcome the hands you play during negative counts with your 1-4 or 1-2 spread what are you going to claim? That counting doesn't work, or that you didn't follow the guidelines laid out for you? I really hope you're backcounting if you plan on playing that way. If you aren't backcounting you will lose your money playing that way.
 

Sharky

Well-Known Member
#5
rabbit215 said:
So i went to AC and this is just a joke. I went to 4 diffrent casinos down there and i dont know how to win. First i was up 2 units then i was down 15 units, then i was up 10 units and then i lost 10 units, so basically i lost 13 units and thats all when i was playing with the good deck +1 and up

One time i lost 6 times in a row ! on a true count +2 How is that even possible ??? I quit after that and i left home

It seems like the dealer almost always gets a 10 and then another 10 or bj while i get a 10 and then 3 or 5, i mean thats bs

I dont know how can i bring the house down, maybe if i had like 100000to play with cuz thats no even fair, im trying to make some money and i end up with losing money. I realy cant believe after all that time i spend to learn how to count cards i lost
anyone who thinks a positive count and is a guarantee for $$$ in the short term is kidding themselves. if you don't believe me...take a look around the table when the count is high, does everyone at the table win these hands??? of course not.

granted you should win in the long run, but there are no guarantees. seems to me that if you can't handle the losing the big spreads (or losing period)...you probably are betting over your risk tolerance (& BR)
 

psyduck

Well-Known Member
#6
Not funny any more? You just made it funny again! Where did you get the idea that counting can make you rich overnight?
 

pooptarts92

Well-Known Member
#7
You're just experiencing the bad before the good. I started with a measly 600 dollar bankroll, lost like 300 in my first few sessions, then steadily built it to literally $3000. Now its down to just over $900. There are huge swings and variance when you play, but theoretically the more HANDS per hour you play the more you will make in the long run. You just need to emotionally separate yourself from the money and just remember that you have the long run advantage.
 

Krak3d

Well-Known Member
#8
It's all about the long run, counting doesn't make you rich overnight, or rich at all, unless you're betting really huge with an almost infinite bankroll.
 

StandardDeviant

Well-Known Member
#9
No rabbit in the hat?

rabbit215 said:
... i dont know how to win ...
Maybe you should learn a bit more so you do know how to win. Whining is not the way to acquire knowledge. Reading is.

rabbit215 said:
... One time i lost 6 times in a row ! on a true count +2 How is that even possible ??? ....
Once you do spend a little time reading you will learn that at high counts you still have about a 49% chance of losing any given hand. In the short run that's not a lot different than when you have a 51% chance of losing at low counts. You should spend some time reflecting on what that really means.

rabbit215 said:
... I realy cant believe after all that time i spend to learn how to count cards i lost ...
Then you are not prepared to play BJ with advantage. You are actually more of a fool -- a dumb bunny -- than the average player who expects to lose unless she gets lucky. Casino's love to have people like you show up at the tables.
 
#10
21

21gunsalute said:
Because you cannot control the cards that you receive nor the cards that the dealer gets. I've had the same thing happen for 10 consecutive sessions. I do well when the count is low or negative and then lose horribly when the count gets high and there's more money on the table. On 3 different occasions I lost every single bet when there were more than 2 units involved.

It's still a game of chance and luck whether you're counting and supposedly have a .5-2% advantage or playing Basic Strategy with a .5% or so disadvantage. It really makes no difference because the other 98-99% is luck. The only difference is if you're counting the amount you win or lose will be greatly magnified during high counts as opposed to flat betting.

I'm sure I'll get flamed to death for making this post but I followed the advice here and lost a significant amount of money in doing so and I'm not going to keep quiet about it anymore. I'm going to keep counting but I'm not going to keep spreading 12-1 or more. I'm going to go 4-1 or maybe even 2-1, and if that doesn't work I'm going to go back to flat betting against CSMs which I did very well against before I took up counting.
I wrote a post or 2 about this situation you write about, and how you can deal with it counting,...... start thinking about ways to attack the game using counting as your backbone.

But many of you guys are just playing real shi*tty games and wonder why you get dunked.

CP
 
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21gunsalute

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#11
Deathclutch said:
And when you can't overcome the hands you play during negative counts with your 1-4 or 1-2 spread what are you going to claim? That counting doesn't work, or that you didn't follow the guidelines laid out for you? I really hope you're backcounting if you plan on playing that way. If you aren't backcounting you will lose your money playing that way.
Wrong. I lost my money playing your way. I was doing well when I was flat betting and I do very well when the count is low or negative. I lose about 90% of all hands when the count gets above about 3.
 
#13
I do well when the count is low or negative and then lose horribly when the count gets high and there's more money on the table. On 3 different occasions I lost every single bet when there were more than 2 units involved.
Thats exactly what happend to me.

granted you should win in the long run, but there are no guarantees. seems to me that if you can't handle the losing the big spreads (or losing period)...you probably are betting over your risk tolerance (& BR)

I know cuz i have a small BR, I think i should have at least 5000 to play 10 dollar table and make some money cuz when you have little bit over 1000 and you lose 10 its seems like its alot


It's all about the long run, counting doesn't make you rich overnight, or rich at all, unless you're betting really huge with an almost infinite bankroll.
Yeah its not like the movie 21 when they had 250000 to play with haha, but how can you get count like +15 or +16 ???
 

shadroch

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#14
21gunsalute said:
Wrong. I lost my money playing your way. I was doing well when I was flat betting and I do very well when the count is low or negative. I lose about 90% of all hands when the count gets above about 3.
Then you should wong out when the count gets that high. Seems pretty obvious to me. Why play when it's plus 3 if you know you are going to lose 90% of the hands? Go play some slots until the count tanks again.:devil:
 
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bjcount

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#15
rabbit215 said:
I know cuz i have a small BR, I think i should have at least 5000 to play 10 dollar table and make some money cuz when you have little bit over 1000 and you lose 10 its seems like its alot
Rabbit

Over the long haul your going to make on average 2-3 units/hr playing a perfect counting game, 6d with decent rules.

If you want to improve the SCORE of the game your playing and lower your RoR, establish what your optimum bet spread is based on 1xmin at TC<=0 and 2x2u @ TC>1 and then continue to follow your ramp up to your max.

If your current spread is a max of 12u on 1 hand, try going to 2 hands at 6u as your max.

You can always wong out at -1, but whether you play all or WO, the $1,000 for a session BR is more then enough for $10min..

If you lose it, keep practicing, studying, working, and replenish the BR for the next time. If your doing everything correctly, you'll get through it.

BJC
 

bjcount

Well-Known Member
#16
shadroch said:
Then you should wong out when the count gets that high. Seems pretty obvious to me. Why play when it's plus 3 if you know you are going to lose 90% of the hands? Gp play some slots until the count tanks again.:devil:
:laugh::laugh:

I had a very similar thing happen to me this very past weekend......

Found a new dealer cutting deep, at least for my home...

The other player said that the end of the shoe always favored the dealers hand so she would quit playing about a deck before the cut off....

Left me playing heads up at the end of every shoe....

For some reason..... well.... she was wrong....:laugh:


BJC
 

psyduck

Well-Known Member
#18
shadroch said:
Then you should wong out when the count gets that high. Seems pretty obvious to me. Why play when it's plus 3 if you know you are going to lose 90% of the hands?
Why didn't I think about that?!! Wong out at high TCs and only play the low TCs when you know you win more!
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#20
psyduck said:
Shall we give the new technique of Wonging out at hign TC a name?

Shadroch out?
Too long. How about just 'roch out? As in, "Oh man, I found this great game. I was Roching out all night long!"

-Sonny-
 
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