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June 3rd, 2011, 10:40 PM
 ninous26 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 47
10 to 1 payout on push

Seen this at a local store.. Where if you and the dealer end up with the same card total you get paid a flat 10-1.. Would you use this the same way as LL at only a TC of +7?

I'm no mathematical guru like some other geniuses on this forum.
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June 3rd, 2011, 11:20 PM
 tthree Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,146

Looking at Qfit's win, lose, tie chart at various TCs. I eyeball TC < -18 and TC > +4. I am guessing that is HILO. The chart didnt specify.
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June 3rd, 2011, 11:26 PM
 ninous26 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 47

Where did you find that chart?

Again like I said I'm far from a math guru so I used the +7 assuming the shoe is rich in 10 cards so you'lll push on a lot of 20's and some BJ's
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June 4th, 2011, 04:41 AM
 tthree Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,146

"Percentage of hands won counting" in the counting section is the thread the link is found. It was submitted by A007. The second post contains the link.

10% pushes is when the bet becomes a non loser.

I just noticed the sim conditions: HILO 6 decks 1.19 cut out S17 DAS LS
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June 4th, 2011, 06:32 AM
 Automatic Monkey Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,537

That is a very complicated sidebet.

Would you hit A6 vs. 7 if you were betting that?
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June 4th, 2011, 06:40 AM
 tthree Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,146

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey That is a very complicated sidebet. Would you hit A6 vs. 7 if you were betting that?
That is an excellent point. Your strategy indices for your TC > +4 would need to be reevaluated. The combination of base bet and side bet might prove profitable before TC +4 or unprofitable until a higher TC.

AM is good at seeing the big picture.
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June 4th, 2011, 07:54 AM
 LovinItAll Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 125

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tthree That is an excellent point. Your strategy indices for your TC > +4 would need to be reevaluated. The combination of base bet and side bet might prove profitable before TC +4 or unprofitable until a higher TC. AM is good at seeing the big picture.
This is anecdotal, but I was playing at a store that offered this bet as a promotion. The players loved it - it isn't offered anymore. The players SWEAR they made "a ton of money", but these may include players that make "a ton of money" playing Lucky 7's, pairs, 5-card promotions, et al.
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June 4th, 2011, 12:43 PM
 NightStalker Executive Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Saint Louis Posts: 376
this is very old bet

and easily available..
playing strategy edge and counting strategy have been evaluated and available on internet several times..
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#9
June 4th, 2011, 04:59 PM
 The Chaperone Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 222

The break even point is not 10%, it's actually 9.0909%. Is the game H17 or S17? Are you allowed to bet the same amount on the side bet as on the BJ bet (or perhaps even more)?
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June 15th, 2011, 01:10 AM
 jnrwilliam Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 40

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ninous26 Seen this at a local store.. Where if you and the dealer end up with the same card total you get paid a flat 10-1.. Would you use this the same way as LL at only a TC of +7? I'm no mathematical guru like some other geniuses on this forum.
1. what is the max. of side bet.
2. both get a Bj = Tie ?
3. the bet size of side bet : can bet freely, regardless the main bet ???
4. spiltted hand : 1 of them is PUSH, so ....?

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