So would it be out of line to ask a dealer out for a beer or something? I live in Vegas and we always hit it off when we see each other and I'm almost certain we would be good friends.... Can they do that? Or is there rules against fraternizing with customers? If not should I just be like, "yo, lets hang out sometime." Or be more suitable about it? Can casino employees even talk to people while they work?
Can casino dealers talk/met up with customers off hours?
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It really doesn't matter what the casino suspects you're doing. If you're not cheating, you're not cheating. They can't do anything. If you're cheating, they can do something. It's that simple. I've seen players hit on dealers. What does that matter? Or what does that have to do with cheating?
But if he ends up dating the woman, he's putting her (the dealer) in a tough spot. If you were a pit boss, would you allow your dealers to date players? It just potentially opens up a can of worms.
Rebecca C
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Trying to date a dealer is a bad idea for so many reasons I'm surprised it's getting any serious discussion. You don't know who the girl is related to or who she might blab to about you. Think about it. And using feminine wiles to increase tips is surely not a novel approach lol. There are so many ways to meet girls; don't crap where you eat.
In America, the employer cannot control what an employee does outside of work. This means a pit boss does not have the authority to allow or not allow a dealer to date a player. I'm not saying this is a good idea for either party. Just saying the casino or pit boss have no control over a person's private life.
Also, I don't know why this would be putting a dealer in a tough spot. Have you read Nathaniel Tilton's book "The Blackjack Life". He dated a pit boss at a casino in Vegas for a while. This didn't cause him or her problems and she never knew he was a counter. In fact, they played bj together in her off time and she tried to help him play better since she thought she knew bj better than Nathaniel. Lol
Again, the casinos and/or pit boss cannot tell their employees what to do in their offtime.
If I was a pit boss, I would stay out of an employee's personal life since I wouldn't want to get sued by my employee.
Who has more direct impact on a blackjack game, the dealer or the pit boss? We know the answer to that. I guarantee you if a casino manager found out a dealer was dating a suspected AP, they would be very concerned. Counting cards would be the least of their worries.
And what would the grounds for the lawsuit be? Telling someone before you hire them that no dating of clientele? Good luck with that. It would go nowhere.
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So how should I ask the dealer? At the table? Or like when they walk away? And if you just don't count at that casino, what's the worry.
A casino manager is going to be concerned if they suspect an AP is playing bj at their casino period, regardless of who they're dating. This goes without saying. Who the AP is dating is the least of their worries. Their main worry is making sure an AP doesn't play in their casino.
If a casino manager finds out a dealer is dating a customer who happens to be an AP and they fire this employee for that reason, good luck winning that case in court. If this happens, I doubt if the manager would admit the dealer was fired for this reason. If they did, they would not win this lawsuit.
Good question. Either one should work. I've seen it done at the table and it worked.
As far as your second question, it doesn't matter if you're counting or not counting, either way there is no worry. The worry is getting caught counting. This has nothing to do with you being able to get a date with the dealer.
Good luck!
The main concern is that the player and dealer could conspire and cheat. And they wouldn't have to be an AP to do that. All it would take would be a dealer who was unethical.
Ever have a full time job? Everywhere I have worked there is a code of ethics that must be read and signed before employment. It clearly spells out what is considered not acceptable and grounds for termination. I have never worked in a casino, but a casino would be well within their right to specify no fraternization with players (outside of the casino). If a prospective dealer didn't like it, they don't have to work there. While we are all trying to remove money from them legally, they have every right to protect themselves against cheating and fraud.
I 100% agree. The casino has the right to protect themselves from cheating and fraud. A dealer dating a player is not cheating or fraud.
I do work for a large corporation and I have signed a code of conduct agreement. The code of conduct tells you the way you have to treat other people but there is no code of conduct agreement (with the exception of some top security government position) that would limit who you can date. I do NOT agree that a casino could specify that a dealer cannot date a player outside of work. We have freedoms in this country that an employer cannot infringe upon.
As far as an unethical dealer, yes the casino has to protect against that. That has nothing to do with not allowing the dealer to date a player. If there is an unethical dealer, this dealer could just as easily cheat with their roommate or best friend. Are you saying the casino can specify that a dealer can't deal to their best friend or roommate because this could lead to cheating?
As far as the casino not wanting the dealer to flirt or make unwanted comments to a player, yes I agree they can do this. That is a very different issue then a dealer and player consensually dating each other.
JohnCrover
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It's too easy for a dealer and a player to cheat. If I was a floor supervisor I wouldn't want my dealers being more than friendly with their players, "Be friendly but don't be friends" is how I would look at it and for good reason, look at what happened with the Tran Gang. With that being said, some houses are more lenient than others and it doesn't hurt to try.
There are several approaches that are considered effective when it comes to asking someone out. I would just say, "Hey, what time do you get off work? We should grab a drink." Some people prefer to take a more direct approach though, and there's nothing wrong with that. One of the more mainstream approaches is called "doing the Donald" which I hear is very effective if you're a super star. I would stick with the tried and true "Hey, what time do you get off work? We should grab a drink" approach.
There are several approaches that are considered effective when it comes to asking someone out. I would just say, "Hey, what time do you get off work? We should grab a drink." Some people prefer to take a more direct approach though, and there's nothing wrong with that. One of the more mainstream approaches is called "doing the Donald" which I hear is very effective if you're a super star. I would stick with the tried and true "Hey, what time do you get off work? We should grab a drink" approach.
Hell'nBack
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Is dealing to a best friend or roommate, in and of itself, cheating? No, of course not. But if the pit boss was aware of the friendship would it trigger more scrutiny? I don't think there would be any question about it. And if a casino did not have a rule forbidding dealers from dating players, it is likely it would be frowned upon. Not to mention, also likely triggering the attention of surveillance (if the relationship was known). I imagine the pit boss would call them up "just to check up on them." I can just hear surveillance, "I didn't see any funny business between the two, but I did notice the guy raised his bet with the count." As for the guy/player, maybe they fall in love, get married and live happily ever after. If he's not a ploppy who just wants a quick score, that's probably the only good outcome. Let's say the relationship is going well. They've been dating 3 months or so and she asks him if he's been counting. Feeling secure and emboldened, "of course.....why would I play blackjack if I didn't count? Then a month later the inevitable fight/breakup happens and she's pissed. That casino is burned for good. And if she decides to ply her trade at the casino across town? That one is burned as well. Not a lot to gain there. I think Rebecca hit the nail on the head earlier in the thread: "don't crap where you eat".