Advice on a double deck game.

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ScottH

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Here are the rules of the game. Two decks, DAS, Double 10+11 only, H17, no surrender. Cass told me they have amazing penetration, but I would have to wait for him to give you the percentage.

The betting limits are 10-150. How much of a BR would I need for 10 dollar units, and 25 dollar units? What would I want to spread here? I have a betting ramp for a 1-5 spread as recommended in KO.

IRC= -4
1u at 0 and lower
2u at +1
3u at +2
4u at +3
5u at +4

I was thinking it might be better to bet 2x4 at +4 instead of 5u. Any suggestions on the spread and betting ramp are appreciated.
 
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ScottH

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zengrifter said:
PENETRATION!!?? zg
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He told me it was as good as Prior Lake, which I think he said was around 90%. He said that one time there were about 10 cards cut off. Like I said, I would want to wait for Cass to post the actual percentage since he was the one playing the game, not me.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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ScottH said:
IRC= -4
1u at 0 and lower
2u at +1
3u at +2
4u at +3
5u at +4

I was thinking it might be better to bet 2x4 at +4 instead of 5u. Any suggestions on the spread and betting ramp are appreciated.
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You need at least 300u and your RoR will be high at that level (25%+).

At +3 2x3u, at +4 2x4u, and exit as many (-)counts as humanly possible. zg
 
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ScottH

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zengrifter said:
You need at least 300u and your RoR will be high at that level (25%+).

At +3 2x3u, at +4 2x4u, and exit as many (-)counts as humanly possible. zg
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What would my EV be if I was playing 10 dollar units play-all? Would my ROR go down to 10% or lower if I had 500u or 600u?
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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ScottH said:
What would my EV be if I was playing 10 dollar units play-all? Would my ROR go down to 10% or lower if I had 500u or 600u?
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Just rough estimates, someone here could sim, but I'd guess 2.5u+/100 hands/rounds and yes 10% or lower. Order the phony ID and go get'em! zg

Ps - Learn the full KOP first!
 
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ScottH

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zengrifter said:
Just rough estimates, someone here could sim, but I'd guess 2.5u+/100 hands/rounds and yes 10% or lower. Order the phony ID and go get'em! zg

Ps - Learn the full KOP first!
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I could come up with 300u, but a 25% ROR is a little too high for me so I would team up to get at least 500u.

I don't even need a fake ID for this game since it's in MN.

I will begin learning KO-Full right away. I remember one post where you recomended a way to learn them, I can't remember what you said, so let me know a good way. There are a little over 40 indexes listed for KO-Full 2 deck. What granuity scale should I learn them with?

Thanks for all the help!
 
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Cass

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ScottH said:
He told me it was as good as Prior Lake, which I think he said was around 90%. He said that one time there were about 10 cards cut off. Like I said, I would want to wait for Cass to post the actual percentage since he was the one playing the game, not me.
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The worst pen i saw all night was 75%, and the best i saw was the last ten cards cut off. A lot of heat though! They knew i was counting but didnt back me off. During a very negative count i hit 12 vs. 6 with the pit critter watching drew a 7, and the dealer busted pit critter angerly said, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S COUNTING CARDS! Earlier in the night I split 10's against a six with table max out which caused him to rush over and see what was going on. A lot of cover is needed to last in this game. and i managed to profit $1500 over a couple hours of play.
 
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jimbiggs

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Cass said:
The worst pen i saw all night was 75%, and the best i saw was the last ten cards cut off. A lot of heat though! They knew i was counting but didnt back me off. During a very negative count i hit 12 vs. 6 with the pit critter watching drew a 7, and the dealer busted pit critter angerly said, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S COUNTING CARDS! Earlier in the night I split 10's against a six with table max out which caused him to rush over and see what was going on. A lot of cover is needed to last in this game. and i managed to profit $1500 over a couple hours of play.
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Another strange example of the pit believing that you're counting and not doing anything to stop you. What should a guy do about that?
 
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Mackhack

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Cass said:
The worst pen i saw all night was 75%, and the best i saw was the last ten cards cut off. A lot of heat though! They knew i was counting but didnt back me off. During a very negative count i hit 12 vs. 6 with the pit critter watching drew a 7, and the dealer busted pit critter angerly said, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S COUNTING CARDS! Earlier in the night I split 10's against a six with table max out which caused him to rush over and see what was going on. A lot of cover is needed to last in this game. and i managed to profit $1500 over a couple hours of play.
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What did u do/say to cover urself?
 
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Mackhack

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ScottH said:
I have a betting ramp for a 1-5 spread as recommended in KO.

IRC= -4
1u at 0 and lower
2u at +1
3u at +2
4u at +3
5u at +4
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OT: Why do you not adjust your IRC to a positive # that is way easier to handle then negative #'s?
 
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ScottH

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Mackhack said:
OT: Why do you not adjust your IRC to a positive # that is way easier to handle then negative #'s?
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It's not that hard to deal with negatives. The way I do it is much easier. I start the IRC at -3 and bet 2u at +2, 3u at +3, 4u at +4, and 5u at +5. I cant think of anything easier to remember than that.
 
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Mackhack

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ScottH said:
It's not that hard to deal with negatives. The way I do it is much easier. I start the IRC at -3 and bet 2u at +2, 3u at +3, 4u at +4, and 5u at +5. I cant think of anything easier to remember than that.
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That makes sense :joker:

I use an IRC of
+5 for 6D
+17 for DD
+20 for SD

So I always have have same #'s for doubling, trippling and so on...
 
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