Applying skills in the casino

countmein

Active Member
So the other night I went out and decided to practice at a $5 table. This was really an experiment - a litmus test to see where I truly am in a real casino, as opposed to the kitchen table with a felt and a shoe, or a computer sim. Basically, this was the first time using 100% perfect basic strategy... Or so I thought.

I went to the Tuscany and played for a while. Although I have played BJ for over 15 yrs, I never played pure 100% basic strategy. So I did. But as they say, it's all different in a casino. In 1.5 hours of play, I noted 2 mistakes that I made, and I was so mad at myself. On the computer, I practice hundreds and hundreds of hands flawlessly. Then I am at a casino and I make a stupid mistake. Twice. And I will say that these are the mistakes that I noticed. Perhaps there were more.

I also decided to practice keeping the count in a casino setting. Certainly a lot different than on a computer. But I already knew that. I've practiced by standing behind a table observing before. My intentions were not to base my plays by counting - since I know I still need a lot of practice.

My main goal was to practice flawless basic strategy in a casino setting. So, I left Tuscany, and went home (and even).

Then hours later, I went to the M to continue my quest. My BS was right on and sharp. I already mentally punished myself from my afternoon quest, and I was ready to redeem myself. I was pleased with my play.

The thing that irritated me was the guy sitting next to me was playing with no basic strategy, was standing on 16s (when the dealer had 17-20) sometimes, other times hitting it. He wasn't hitting his 2 against the dealer's 2 or 3, and he told me after splitting 8s that this was a stupid move and now I had 2 losing hands. (I tried to explain that, but decided to forget it and just play). The dealer was telling this guy that I was right, but he still argued. Ughhh...

That's not what irritated me though. What really got me is that I was losing and he was winning. I was doing everything that I was supposed to do according to basic strategy. The shoes were really bad, but this guy kept winning playing like a cowboy - no strategy, no consistent play... But I stuck to the plan. 100% pure basic strategy plus keeping the count.

Now back to the counting... I got confused at times. My biggest pain point is when the dealer draws his cards. I will need to practice practice practice. And of course, the guy talking next to me was a distraction, even at times with basic strategy. I never expected to make any money with BS. I intended to write it off as a training cost. Which I did. Lost about $300 in 3.5 hours. Not a big deal since I expected to lose this.

The hardest part of my drive home from the casino was that I knew I would have to tell the wife that I just pissed away $300. But my wife rocks, and she knows what I am doing. I told her, and it was fine. It was within her "tolerance". Plus it was allocated money. I did not "raid the ATM". Those days are gone. I have my budget and that's it. Although this budget is far far less than what I used to have, it is a smarter budget allocated only to testing myself. Does this make sense?

I used to bet like a crazy man with a $2500 nightly bankroll and "no strategy". And sometimes I got really lucky. Sometimes, not so much. It was about the rush. Man, there is no longer a rush for me playing a game where the odds are stacked against me. I love blackjack, but I don't want to lose over the long term. That's why I became determined to become an advantage player. I've known about it for a long time (yes, way before the 21 movie) but never really decided to learn until last year.

What's the moral of the story? Here is what I have learned:
  • It makes no difference in the short term who wins and who loses. There's no way someone who is playing with a "failing strategy" can win over time
  • Even idiots can sometimes win when they shouldn't. Actually, this guy was not really an idiot - I just now have a skewed image of people who play with not a single plan and then want to tell me why doubling down on an 11 when a dealer has an Ace on an H17 game is a bad idea. Like them standing on A7 when the dealer has a 9 showing is smart.
  • Don't bother trying to explain anything to anyone. You are not there for them. (Especially when YOU are losing and they are winning)
  • There is no substitute for a real casino when "testing" your strengths and weaknesses.
  • Smile, be cordial, but don't listen to anything another player says.
  • Keep on practicing...
 

shinyam

Well-Known Member
Congratulations on making the transition from ploppy to AP.

Believe me, you have a lot to learn. And it will take years to hone your craft. Along the way, there will be many bumps, twists and turns.

I have learned the hard way that it takes more than practice and dedication, you will need to continuously improve your skills, learning more and more. The rewards will be evident, but only after hundreds or thousands of hours of play. Good luck.
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
countmein said:
The thing that irritated me was the guy sitting next to me was playing with no basic strategy, was standing on 16s (when the dealer had 17-20) sometimes, other times hitting it. He wasn't hitting his 2 against the dealer's 2 or 3, and he told me after splitting 8s that this was a stupid move and now I had 2 losing hands. (I tried to explain that, but decided to forget it and just play). The dealer was telling this guy that I was right, but he still argued. Ughhh...


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Those are all very marginal plays that are not likely to cost him much, if anything. In fact there are indices for using all those plays at certain counts.
 
Count

These people at the tables running their mouth at you is really a no-no. Sooner or later you must put them in their place kindly or with the same rudeness they exhibit towards you.

Why do you worry about others play,, or if they are winning more than you?

You better focus on the game and forget the distractions,,,it is you and the cards, that is it.

CP
 

countmein

Active Member
creeping panther said:
These people at the tables running their mouth at you is really a no-no. Sooner or later you must put them in their place kindly or with the same rudeness they exhibit towards you.

Why do you worry about others play,, or if they are winning more than you?

You better focus on the game and forget the distractions,,,it is you and the cards, that is it.

CP
No argument from me.
 

Nynefingers

Well-Known Member
countmein said:
Lost about $300 in 3.5 hours.
Were you flatbetting $5 the entire time? If so, the odds of losing $300 or more in 3.5 hours (I assumed 100 hands per hour) are roughly 1/300. It happens, but it certainly isn't a frequent occurrence. Of course, if you were varying your betting, then it becomes much more common.
 

countmein

Active Member
Nynefingers said:
Were you flatbetting $5 the entire time? If so, the odds of losing $300 or more in 3.5 hours (I assumed 100 hands per hour) are roughly 1/300. It happens, but it certainly isn't a frequent occurrence. Of course, if you were varying your betting, then it becomes much more common.
I was varying my bets
 
countmein said:
Now back to the counting... I got confused at times. My biggest pain point is when the dealer draws his cards. I will need to practice practice practice. And of course, the guy talking next to me was a distraction, even at times with basic strategy.
Yep, just keep practicing! Like you said there's no substitute for a real casino but some things I've learned about how to practice at home I found help in the real world.

Make distractions. I play with QFIT, usually the TV on and winamp or itunes blaring tunes on the pc. Sounds funny, but "talk" to the other players. "Nice hit", "good luck with that ace", etc. High 5 thin air. These would make you look like a nutball to anyone else in the house but I found they help deal with the distractions at the table.

Trouble with the dealer dealing his cards? Visualize what cards make up what. That way you don't mix up the count and what the dealer has: "5 + 10 + A + 7 bust with 23. my count is....oh crap!"

Forget about what other people have. Remember: a lot of people play their game different ways. As previously mentioned too, dfferent counting systems use different indices.

It's you and the cards. Get into your "zone" and play YOUR game. Someone offers their expert advice (like this Australian in Vegas telling me I shouldn't double 11 against a 2), smile and nod. It was hard not to completely throw my game off and say "Does down under also mean backwards? Is it actually "12" I don't want to go over?" :laugh:
 
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