Bad beat blackjack at Bay 101 in San Jose

[JSTAT]

Blackjack is difficult to beat with the conventional conditions that exist throughout the world. In California card rooms, it is impossible to win through card counting at most joints. Worse for the basic strategy player due to collections from the house. Bay 101 at http://bay101.com/ offers an offshoot of 21 named "21st Century Blackjack" Version 5.0. On the casino's website it states, "Bay 101 provides house dealers for all games and collects a service charge (depending on the game played and number of players present) per hand, but does not participate in the actual play of the games and has no interest in the outcome of play. No player ever plays against or makes a wager against Bay 101." The casino charges $1 for every bet up to $100. A $10 bettor is fleeced 10% by the house! A bad beat before the cards are dealt.

The game pays 6:5 for blackjacks with 8 decks. The three tables includes a "corporation" who are licensed by the city of San Jose. They pay $2 to bank the games every hand. A good side job for anyone willing to put up the money. Anyone can bank the game as the choice goes around clockwise on the table. Most players don't opt and the corporations wind up being the house. The percentage is estimated at 2% against the players who play correctly. In addition with the collection, the $10 player is at a approximately 12% disadvantage. Card club blackjack players might be better off playing the crack of gambling, video poker.

Many players do not want to drive to the Indian casinos which are 1.5-2 hours from San Francisco. They are happy losing a hundred bucks or so for the entertainment. Good for them, bad for us. River Rock, Cache Creek, Thunder Valley, Red Hawk, and Jackson Rancheria offer double deck games with a house percentage of .52 at some. Blackjacks are paid 3:2 by the chiefs. The player will lose at least 20 times slower utilizing basic strategy (http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/2deck.html) at these Indian games, giving them a better shot of getting ahead before the house percentage rears its ugly head.

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[creeping panther]

Jstat

Blackjack is difficult to beat with the conventional conditions that exist throughout the world. In California card rooms, it is impossible to win through card counting at most joints. Worse for the basic strategy player due to collections from the house. Bay 101 at http://bay101.com/ offers an offshoot of 21 named "21st Century Blackjack" Version 5.0. On the casino's website it states, "Bay 101 provides house dealers for all games and collects a service charge (depending on the game played and number of players present) per hand, but does not participate in the actual play of the games and has no interest in the outcome of play. No player ever plays against or makes a wager against Bay 101." The casino charges $1 for every bet up to $100. A $10 bettor is fleeced 10% by the house! A bad beat before the cards are dealt.

The game pays 6:5 for blackjacks with 8 decks. The three tables includes a "corporation" who are licensed by the city of San Jose. They pay $2 to bank the games every hand. A good side job for anyone willing to put up the money. Anyone can bank the game as the choice goes around clockwise on the table. Most players don't opt and the corporations wind up being the house. The percentage is estimated at 2% against the players who play correctly. In addition with the collection, the $10 player is at a approximately 12% disadvantage. Card club blackjack players might be better off playing the crack of gambling, video poker.

Many players do not want to drive to the Indian casinos which are 1.5-2 hours from San Francisco. They are happy losing a hundred bucks or so for the entertainment. Good for them, bad for us. River Rock, Cache Creek, Thunder Valley, Red Hawk, and Jackson Rancheria offer double deck games with a house percentage of .52 at some. Blackjacks are paid 3:2 by the chiefs. The player will lose at least 20 times slower utilizing basic strategy (http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/2deck.html) at these Indian games, giving them a better shot of getting ahead before the house percentage rears its ugly head.

Article published at http://www.examiner.com/x-18051-San-Francisco-Blackjack-Examiner~y2009m7d29-Bad-beat-blackjack-at-Bay-101-in-San-Jose

Good job.

CP

 

[irobinson]

Ahhh...privately banked card game.

I don't get why house banked blackjack is bad but player/private banked games are OK.

Just as bad as class II slots.

 

[1357111317]

Blackjack is difficult to beat with the conventional conditions that exist throughout the world. In California card rooms, it is impossible to win through card counting at most joints. Worse for the basic strategy player due to collections from the house. Bay 101 at http://bay101.com/ offers an offshoot of 21 named "21st Century Blackjack" Version 5.0. On the casino's website it states, "Bay 101 provides house dealers for all games and collects a service charge (depending on the game played and number of players present) per hand, but does not participate in the actual play of the games and has no interest in the outcome of play. No player ever plays against or makes a wager against Bay 101." The casino charges $1 for every bet up to $100. A $10 bettor is fleeced 10% by the house! A bad beat before the cards are dealt.

The game pays 6:5 for blackjacks with 8 decks. The three tables includes a "corporation" who are licensed by the city of San Jose. They pay $2 to bank the games every hand. A good side job for anyone willing to put up the money. Anyone can bank the game as the choice goes around clockwise on the table. Most players don't opt and the corporations wind up being the house. The percentage is estimated at 2% against the players who play correctly. In addition with the collection, the $10 player is at a approximately 12% disadvantage. Card club blackjack players might be better off playing the crack of gambling, video poker.

Many players do not want to drive to the Indian casinos which are 1.5-2 hours from San Francisco. They are happy losing a hundred bucks or so for the entertainment. Good for them, bad for us. River Rock, Cache Creek, Thunder Valley, Red Hawk, and Jackson Rancheria offer double deck games with a house percentage of .52 at some. Blackjacks are paid 3:2 by the chiefs. The player will lose at least 20 times slower utilizing basic strategy (http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/2deck.html) at these Indian games, giving them a better shot of getting ahead before the house percentage rears its ugly head.

Article published at http://www.examiner.com/x-18051-San-Francisco-Blackjack-Examiner~y2009m7d29-Bad-beat-blackjack-at-Bay-101-in-San-Jose

That game isn't that bad.. just be the banker. You will have at least a 2-3% advantage on every hand. Sure you need a big bankroll but If you have 500 dollars worth of bets out there at a 2-3% advantage is 10-15$ minus the 2 dollar collection is still pretty decent if you can bank a couple times an hour.

 

[duanedibley]

That game isn't that bad.. just be the banker. You will have at least a 2-3% advantage on every hand. Sure you need a big bankroll but If you have 500 dollars worth of bets out there at a 2-3% advantage is 10-15$ minus the 2 dollar collection is still pretty decent if you can bank a couple times an hour.

You can't sit out and only bank afaik. You would have to play all paying $1 commission per hand plus whatever the EV of your bet is just to bank a couple of times.

 

[1357111317]

What if you found a table with two huge whales that didn't know BS. Get 5 guys together and take the rest of the spots on the table. I bet you could do ok if you br could handle it.

 

[FLASH1296]

I can hardly imagine anyone stupid enough to bet big money at this LARCENOUS game.

 

[duanedibley]

You can't sit out and only bank afaik. You would have to play all paying $1 commission per hand plus whatever the EV of your bet is just to bank a couple of times.

OK I sat a few hands Lucky Chances. It turns out per house rules (not sure if it's the same elsewhere) you only need to play a minimum of two hands to exercise your option to bank. So if you come in two hands before the option to bank will come to you (ideal if you sit in 2nd base to the left of the corporation so they will ask you first if you'd like to bank) then you can bank two hands and then sit out before repeating. This will surely annoy the other players and the dealer, but whatever.

I lost both my $10 bets + $1 commission, but then scooped about $500 including will-the-dealer-bust side-bets when the dealer drew 21 both hands I banked

On a related note, is there a tool for calculating house edge vs. certain basic strategy mistakes? It would be nice to quantify the house edge vs. various types of ploppies. I have heard various estimates, but since this seems to be a marginal endeavor at best it would be nice to get a more precise figure.