Best & safe way to be +10 hands ?

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mikeinjersey

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I was wondering what people think is the best way to be plus +10 hands in a game of black jack when starting out with a decent amount up front ? (legal way...no card counting)

For instance, my goal is to play the $5 or $10 blackjack tables, and just go home with a $100 a day.

I was thinking of starting with $400. (to be safe) And going with a more 'safer' martingale system.

For instance, $5,$10,$15,$25,$50
($5 would be my initial bet , and then $10 if I lose that , $15 if I lose that , $25 if I lose that, $50 if I lose that)

Everytime I win , I would start back at $5.

And anytime I would lose more than 5 hands in a row, I'd start back at $5 until I won a hand...and would then repeat my technique above.

Also, thoughts on doing the same with with a $10 minimum table would be awesome... as i'd only need to win +10 hands that way to get my daily goal.

Just thinking about winning +10 hands at a $10 table sounds so simple on paper...but you never know sometimes you'll start off losing 5 hands in a row.

thanks much for any help.
 
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plainplayer

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mikeinjersey said:
For instance, $5,$10,$15,$25,$50
($5 would be my initial bet , and then $10 if I lose that , $15 if I lose that , $25 if I lose that, $50 if I lose that)
Everytime I win , I would start back at $5.
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You're already miscalculating. If you have already lost 5, 10, and 15, you are already down 30. Betting 25 next, you will be *DOWN* 5 if you win.
 
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prankster

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Hello Mike-
I'm going to assume this is not a put-on. Firstly-even the Nevada courts agree that card counting is NOT illegal. Secondly-if you do what you're thinking about you'll quickly be penniless. Read some good blackjack books then give the game a try if you like. I personally recommend Blackjack Bluebook II by Fred Renzey-who also happens to be a member of this website.
Good cards!:joker:
 
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21gunsalute

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Do you actually think you can win 10 more hands than you lose on a regular basis? Playing perfect BS you're only going to win about 43% of hands played. Winning 10 more hands than you lose almost never happens.

Your progression is badly flawed. Martingale will work if you have an infinite bankroll and no table limits, you just won't win very much. The changes you've proposed make it a recipe for disaster. If you lose 5 hands in a row you'll be out $105 and then you're only going to bet $5 a hand until you lose? You could win the next 15 hands in a row to get to your +10 figure and you'd still be down $40! You have absolutely no possibility of making up for your losing streaks, and even if you got extremely lucky and won almost evey hand right off the bat you'd have very little to show for it. Do you have any idea how easy it is to lose 5 hands or more in a row? I'll bet the casino's love you. ;)
 
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sabre

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21gunsalute said:
Martingale will work if you have an infinite bankroll and no table limits
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Martingale doesn't even work under this assumption. Because if you get to assume infinite bankroll, I get to assume an infinite string of losses.
 
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mikeinjersey

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losing 5 hands in a row only happens like once in a 100 hands. So by then, I would of already gathered up a decent amount.

So what strategies do you guys recommend besides card counting ? I'd like to know some legitimate strategies that work for you guys when starting out with a big budget.

I won 15 straight times at table games using the following Martingale system..and have made out pretty well -

$100 minimum
$3000 max table

Start out with $5000....all in black chips

1,2,1,3,4,5,6,8,12,25

The only way I lose everything is if I lose 10 hands in a row. Which rarely happens even if i'm at a single table for 12 hours straight.

But nowadays I usually just use that system to get a quick $2000 and then back-out. (which usually takes an hour or less) Its very unusual to lose 10 hands in a row in an hour....unless your a complete moron.

Is it fool proof ? heck no...I expect to lose 15% of the time. But the amount of times I have won have far outdone the amount of times i've lost.

So for you people that are critisizing the Martingale system (or my more comprehensive one) are pretty silly, because i've been doing this for years with constant success.

If you look back up at my number strategy once again....Yes, you will still be down if you win at hands # 6, 7, 8. But the amount of gains you have by then, far outweighs the loss you still have by winning at hand #7.

Your much more likely to win after losing at hand #2 frequently....then at #6, #7, or #8.

Plus, your also more likely to get bigger double downs & blackjacks when running into trouble as well. (losing 5 or more hands in a row)

So you have to take the good with the bad....and i'll admit it feels like 'heart attack' time when approaching the 7 or more hands lost in a row...

the main problem is....because are scared to start off with as much as I do. And when you have fear like that, you can't play. so don't bother trying if you fear failure. Like I said, its worked for me constantly for many years. And I expect to lose once in awhile.
 
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fubster

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Threads always start out with someone seeking advice, and when they don't get the advice they want, it ends up with them vehemently defending their flawed logic and lashing out at people who gave legitimate advice.
 
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bigplayer

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Strategy Recommendations for Mike in Jersey

Increase your EV from negative up to zero by just staying out of the casinos. You can lose 10 hands in a row about once every 19 hours of play on average. I once went an entire shoe heads up without winning a single hand.
 
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mikeinjersey

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fubster said:
Threads always start out with someone seeking advice, and when they don't get the advice they want, it ends up with them vehemently defending their flawed logic and lashing out at people who gave legitimate advice.
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I don't see whats wrong with getting advice on additional strategies.

I just get bored & it takes several hours at times to reach my $2000 goal. Especially with the 3 1's in the beginning with my system. Its either 1,1,1...or 1,2,1. 1,2,1 seems to get to my goal a bit quicker, but is also a tad more risky... 1,1,1 is the safer route....but it takes forever sometimes.

I've already mentioned how successful my strategy has been...and I just noticed I made a similar post in August 2008 on these forums. (search my post history) 2 years have gone by since then...and its still successful. You just have to be careful, keep your head in the game at all times, dont get excited & do stupid things....and just be a zombie for an hour or hour. Oh yea, and be wary...if you continue to be successful & successful ...they'll eventually switch dealers on you.. they have a record of which dealers wipe people out the most. Usually they'll either switch me to a fast, aggressive dealer...or a super hot smoking one...thinking i'll start betting stupidly. The joke's on them though.
 
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21gunsalute

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mikeinjersey said:
I was wondering what people think is the best way to be plus +10 hands in a game of black jack when starting out with a decent amount up front ? (legal way...no card counting)

For instance, my goal is to play the $5 or $10 blackjack tables, and just go home with a $100 a day.

I was thinking of starting with $400. (to be safe) And going with a more 'safer' martingale system.

For instance, $5,$10,$15,$25,$50
($5 would be my initial bet , and then $10 if I lose that , $15 if I lose that , $25 if I lose that, $50 if I lose that)

Everytime I win , I would start back at $5.

And anytime I would lose more than 5 hands in a row, I'd start back at $5 until I won a hand...and would then repeat my technique above.

Also, thoughts on doing the same with with a $10 minimum table would be awesome... as i'd only need to win +10 hands that way to get my daily goal.

Just thinking about winning +10 hands at a $10 table sounds so simple on paper...but you never know sometimes you'll start off losing 5 hands in a row.

thanks much for any help.
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mikeinjersey said:
losing 5 hands in a row only happens like once in a 100 hands. So by then, I would of already gathered up a decent amount.

So what strategies do you guys recommend besides card counting ? I'd like to know some legitimate strategies that work for you guys when starting out with a big budget.

I won 15 straight times at table games using the following Martingale system..and have made out pretty well -

$100 minimum
$3000 max table

Start out with $5000....all in black chips

1,2,1,3,4,5,6,8,12,25

The only way I lose everything is if I lose 10 hands in a row. Which rarely happens even if i'm at a single table for 12 hours straight.

But nowadays I usually just use that system to get a quick $2000 and then back-out. (which usually takes an hour or less) Its very unusual to lose 10 hands in a row in an hour....unless your a complete moron.

Is it fool proof ? heck no...I expect to lose 15% of the time. But the amount of times I have won have far outdone the amount of times i've lost.

So for you people that are critisizing the Martingale system (or my more comprehensive one) are pretty silly, because i've been doing this for years with constant success.

If you look back up at my number strategy once again....Yes, you will still be down if you win at hands # 6, 7, 8. But the amount of gains you have by then, far outweighs the loss you still have by winning at hand #7.

Your much more likely to win after losing at hand #2 frequently....then at #6, #7, or #8.

Plus, your also more likely to get bigger double downs & blackjacks when running into trouble as well. (losing 5 or more hands in a row)

So you have to take the good with the bad....and i'll admit it feels like 'heart attack' time when approaching the 7 or more hands lost in a row...

the main problem is....because are scared to start off with as much as I do. And when you have fear like that, you can't play. so don't bother trying if you fear failure. Like I said, its worked for me constantly for many years. And I expect to lose once in awhile.
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Well which is it? Obviously if the later post were true you wouldn't be seeking advice and/or approval for the former post with the much watered down betting amounts. And this statement is a hoot:

mikeinjersey said:
losing 5 hands in a row only happens like once in a 100 hands. So by then, I would of already gathered up a decent amount.
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Even if, as you say, it only happens once in a hundred hands how can you be sure you would have "gathered up a decent amount"? Are you assuming you're going to win the other 95 hands? You don't know when you're going to lose 5 in a row, or 10 in a row, or my personal worst 22 in a row. If you're playing such a progression you may very well lose on most or all of your bigger bets. The card gods don't get totgether and say "this guy's putting more money out on this hand-let him win" or "this guy's lost 3 hands in a row, let him win this hand. In fact, blackjack gods are mean and angry. They love it when you lose.
 
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21gunsalute

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And if indeed your system(s) do(es) work, why would you want to share such information with everyone else? If indeed you can walk out of a casino with $2000 nearly every time using such shenanigans, what would happen if 100 people walked in to the casino and did the same thing? Oh that's right, casinos print their own money so it wouldn't be a problem. :rolleyes:
 
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mikeinjersey

Member
21gunsalute said:
And if indeed your system(s) do(es) work, why would you want to share such information with everyone else? If indeed you can walk out of a casino with $2000 nearly every time using such shenanigans, what would happen if 100 people walked in to the casino and did the same thing? Oh that's right, casinos print their own money so it wouldn't be a problem. :rolleyes:
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Because I never mentioned which Casinos I go to. You guys can rack them up all you want, I dont give a crap..... just trying to share a strategy that's worked for me for years.

But its also not to say its ez. You really have to zone out & not care what everybody else around you is doing.

Also, I forgot to mention another thing about the 1,1,1, part in the beginning of the losing streak. A majority of the time, I do win 2/3 of those. (win on 1...lose on 1.....win on 1) Because you get to see all the cards coming out.. so if for the first two 1's you see a ton of face cards....and on the 3rd 1 you do as well...then if you had a 16, you'd hit...because of the likelihood of no facecard coming up. I generally go with patterns and how many high cards are or are not coming out at once. So Yes, I don't always hit on 16's when dealer has a 10 up. I'll sometimes stay & win depending on how many facecards came up beforehand.
 
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fubster

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You do realize that your "system" has absolutely zero merit and will end up losing in the long term, right?

I just assumed that most people with "systems" acknowledge the fact that they're still long term losers, but they have a bit of fun playing the game anyway. You seem to think that you're gonna come out on top lifetime.
 
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fubster

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mikeinjersey said:
5 years isn't long enough to be considered long term ?... interesting.
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I'm sure someone would be willing to actually simulate your system over billions of trials so we can have a more accurate representation of your expectation.

So, you truly and honestly believe that your system is a long term sustainable winner?
 
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21gunsalute

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mikeinjersey said:
Because I never mentioned which Casinos I go to. You guys can rack them up all you want, I dont give a crap..... just trying to share a strategy that's worked for me for years.

But its also not to say its ez. You really have to zone out & not care what everybody else around you is doing.

Also, I forgot to mention another thing about the 1,1,1, part in the beginning of the losing streak. A majority of the time, I do win 2/3 of those. (win on 1...lose on 1.....win on 1) Because you get to see all the cards coming out.. so if for the first two 1's you see a ton of face cards....and on the 3rd 1 you do as well...then if you had a 16, you'd hit...because of the likelihood of no facecard coming up. I generally go with patterns and how many high cards are or are not coming out at once. So Yes, I don't always hit on 16's when dealer has a 10 up. I'll sometimes stay & win depending on how many facecards came up beforehand.
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Could somebody please translate this gibberish into English?
 
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mikeinjersey

Member
fubster said:
So, you truly and honestly believe that your system is a long term sustainable winner?
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I wouldn't waste my time here if it wasn't.

But all necessary precautions mentioned in this thread, must be taken.

Once you reach your goal of $1000 or $2000 , get the freak out of there...
 
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