Caesar's Palace (Las Vegas) has a camera at the cashier

[ArcticInferno]

A few months back, I was "kicked out" of Caesar's Palace.
Actually, they just told me that I may play any game I want, except Blackjack,
which is the same as being kicked out.
Last week, I returned to Caesar's Palace, but his time, I didn't roam or do
anything suspicious before sitting down at the $25 table.
There was another player at the table. I put down $500 and got all green chips.
I started betting low in the beginning, and when the count starting rising,
I was betting higher, but never went over $75. Instead, I played two hands of
$75 each. When the count stabilized, then I would return to one hand of $25.
On the last hand, just before the cut card, I played three hands of $75 each
and won all of them.
The whole shoe took about 20 minutes. I colored up for $1025, and the dealer
called out the $1000 going out to the pit boss. Easy $525 in 20 min.
I cashed out at the cashier, and as soon as I turned around, I saw a bright
camera flash coming from the ceiling. Obviously, that was the high-resolution
photo.
I didn't know that there was a camera there. If I had known, then I wouldn't
have turned around. I would've just walked side-ways out of the cashier's area.
This is a warning to others who're going to Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas.
After cashing out, don't turn around, but walk side ways to the left.
Or if you must turn around, cover your eyes with your hands as if you're
rubbing an itch or something.
Or better yet, return the following day and cash out.
Now, Caesar's Palace has a high-resolution photo of me, and when they analyze
my betting pattern, they'll figure out that I'm a card counter.

 

[21forme]

Why were you playing at Caesars? There sooo many better games elsewhere.

 

[ArcticInferno]

If you're a card counter, you mustn't limit yourself to a few locations.
You must move around to avoid heat.
I even went into Planet Hollywood and Tropicana.
Yes, Bellagio, Mirage, and Mandalay are much better, but I need to
spread myself out thin to avoid detection.
That's why I was at Caesar's, which by the way isn't bad at all.

 

[johndoe]

I even went into Planet Hollywood and Tropicana.

The games there are atrocious. Trop is all H17 no surrender! Why on earth would you play there?

 

[ArcticInferno]

You're right, the rules there are atrocious.
Harrah's also hits on soft 17 and no surrender.
To make it worse, Harrah's doesn't allow you to re-split after the first split.
H17 vs S17 is a difference of -0.20 %.
However, those minor variations in rules have very little over-all effect.
Betting variation can easily overcome those lousy rules.
Personally, I look for 6-deck shoes, without regards to rules.
I don't like 8-decks. If it's 6-decks, then I'm happy.
I would much rather have a 6-deck game with lousy rules than an 8-deck game with great rules.
As I said before, it's important to be mobile and hop from casino to casino.

 

[johndoe]

H17 vs S17 is a difference of -0.20 %.
However, those minor variations in rules have very little over-all effect.
Betting variation can easily overcome those lousy rules.

Not really! Very deep pen can overcome bad rules, or maybe if you can get away with a 1-50 spread and sitting out hands. But if you can get away with spreading like that you might as well do it at a better game.

I would much rather have a 6-deck game with lousy rules than an 8-deck game with great rules.

Have you sim'd this comparison? I suspect not, because your conclusion is very wrong; this bias toward 6D "at all costs" is irrational and costing you a lot of money.

I'd take an 8D/S17/LS any day over a 6D/H17/NS.

The difference between 8D and 6D for S17/NRSA/LS is only 0.02% or so, making it far less important than S17 (~0.20%) or surrender (~.10%). The no-resplit rule hits you by another 0.05%, which is still much bigger than the 6-8 deck comparison.

6D/H17/NRSA/NS: House edge of .64%
8D/S17/NRSA/LS: House edge of .37%

The .64% means that you aren't even in +EV until TC>2. You'll be playing far fewer hands at an advantage, and it'll cost you.

 

[Sonny]

Are you serious?

So you were playing at Caesar's, you bought in with cash, got all greens, didn’t rathole any chips before coloring up and you cashed out after the session even though you had been backed off on a previous trip? Just tell me that your car was at valet to complete the story.

I cashed out at the cashier, and as soon as I turned around, I saw a bright camera flash coming from the ceiling.

There was a flash on the camera? Are you sure about that?

This is a warning to others who're going to Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas.
After cashing out, don't turn around, but walk side ways to the left.

You are aware that there is more than one camera at the cashier’s cage, right? And not just a Caesar’s either – at every casino everywhere. Maybe you’ve seen them in other places too, like above the gaming tables, in the elevators, hallways, parking lots, restaurants, clubs, pools, etc. They may not all be high resolution, but they can get the job done. Walking sideways is not a solution to your problem.

You found out the hard way, but hopefully you've learned a lot from that experience. If you can fix each of those mistakes you will have a much greater chance of success in the future. Ideally these lessons should be learned at the nickel level, but all players start out in different places. A few small changes could probably double or triple your win rate and reduce the amount of heat you get.

-Sonny-

 

[ArcticInferno]

I agree with everything you said about 6 vs 8 decks and the rules, etc.
My bias against 8-deck games is purely personal.
The 6-deck numbers are more manageable to me.

My car wasn't there because I flew out to Las Vegas.
Yes, a camera flash came from the ceiling. I'm certain.
Not the ceiling immediately above, obviously, but from an angle that could get a good headshot.
I understand that they have security video cameras everywhere, but those cameras are usually
black & white and often have poor resolution.
The only reason for using a flash is for a high-resolution still camera, not a video camera.

 

[winr_winr_chicken_dinner!]

Poor Cameras?

I understand that they have security video cameras everywhere, but those cameras are usually
black & white and often have poor resolution.
The only reason for using a flash is for a high-resolution still camera, not a video camera.

Have you seen the Pelco Endura surveillance system? http://www.pelco.com/products/endura/ This is what casinos use. Trust me, if they want a decent head shot of you in hi res they will get it. Instead of crab walking out the door next time try a big, floppy hat. Don't go for the huge sombrero though, it might arouse suspicion, lol

 

[moo321]

How the hell do you guys get backed off in Vegas? There's like a hundred casinos! You shouldn't ever be playing long enough to get backed off.

 

[johndoe]

It's tough to leave really good conditions sometimes, and there's a lot of time wasted in travel. I can understand the temptation to overplay. Also, laziness.

 

[FLASH1296]

Every casino that is of any substance whatsoever can take your [hi-res] photo at the cashier's cage - while you are are being paid.

 

[Cardcounter]

camaras

All the casinos have cameras in the cashier cage that is where all the money is! In the cashiers cage they probably cover every squarefoot so people who try to steal are caught on tape. That goes for both patrons and casino employees!

 

[21forme]

MANY casinos have cameras in the cage that take straight-on shots from behind the cashier, as opposed to shots from the ceiling.

 

[moo321]

It's tough to leave really good conditions sometimes, and there's a lot of time wasted in travel. I can understand the temptation to overplay. Also, laziness.

Just back-count up and down the strip. Is there really that much difference between h17 and stand, or 1.5 or 2 decks cut off?

I mean I understand wanting to make money, but you shouldn't be getting backed off when there's another casino literally a few hundred feet away.

 

[blackjack avenger]

Assume Big Brother

Assume cameras are everywhere. They most likely are!:joker::whip:

 

[ExhibitCAA]

There was no reason to go to the cashier after that play. See pp. 31, 33, 34.

 

[StandardDeviant]

Caesar's Palace (Las Vegas) has a camera at the cashier

Yes it does, and Texas has a whorehouse in it. Lord have mercy!