counting in small local casinos

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PaddyBoy

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Hi all,just found this site and have read a lot of posts and feel i will be reading and posting a lot more.I have posted a bit on BJ21 and RGE but i feel these sites are too much into the technical side of the game and lose sight of the human side.Anyway can i introduce myself?I live in Europe and got interested in BJ around this time last year thru the online casinos.Anyway througout this year have played at about 130 online casinos and have made about 6000 euros from them(dont have it now though as i havent been working since Febuary).I have played all the good bonuses and now this source of income has almost dried up!
I am fascinated by BJ and other games which can be beaten so when i get back to work i want to build up a bankroll and try to make a bit from my local casinos.I did a bit of counting during the summer but just came out about even.I would like to start with a BR of 5000 euros as i have heard of all the 1st time counters that start off with to small a BR and lose it fast.
My local casinos are small but have ok rules and from what i see below is that your act is very important.

during my stint in the summer i was genuinely friendly towards dealers and ploppies.but there must be more to it than that,to get away with keeping your max bets out during a high count (while losing hand after hand) and min betting during lows(and winning hand after hand) what kind of act do i need?some sort of progressionist?A guy who chases loses?

How can i blend in well with the ploppies and get a good spread?

Also the shuffles in these places are not great so i would be interested in techniques such as ace and shuffle tracking.After i get my act together!
 
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The Mayor

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Welcome, it is great to have you here. I have no experience in European casinos, but there are several who visit and post here who do. But the commonality of act should be universal (or nearly so).

First, make sure you are really getting a good game before you play. The variety of rules in Europe range from incredibly poor to exceptional: it is even broader than what you find in this country.

Next, get the book "Burning the tables in Las Vegas." There is a new edition coming out in which the author talks about mid/low level play. At any rate, the book is devoted to getting away with it for the long run.

Next, experiment. Try a variety of things, see which draw heat, which work in your casinos. For example, if you only Wong on busy nights, you find your return is high with virtually no heat. But if you play long stints during quiet times, you will need an excellent act.

Next, make sure you are technically sound, and have an adequate bankroll. You should not even begin to consider making this a living with a bankroll under 10K, and probably 20K is more like it. You have to be able to bet 2 hands of $100 each before you earn a decent living wage, and it just goes up from there.

Next, never stop learning.

Finally, really listen to the advice you get, here and at bj21, rge21. There are some incredibly experienced and knowledgeable people who post at these sites. What they have to say is worth more than you can imagine.

With best regards,

--Mayor
 
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PaddyBoy

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Thanks.I am not thinking about making a living just a bit of extra money.
is not really possible to wong in but wonging out is viable.There are 3 i play at.rules are casino A;4D,S17,DAS,D9,10,11 only,ENHC and ES10.Casino B:the same with 6D.Casino c:same as a but with H17.

Nice to have ES10,Casino a and b are really small 2 tables each,Casino c has about 7 so more opportunities for wonging there.

Casino B has a rule which pays you 80 euros if you get a 7 card hand,anyone know the odds of this?and 30 euros for a 7-7-7.I dont change Bs for this as i dont know if i should!

There is another casino but the pen is crap so i dont play,they have a poker room though i will try that during Xmas.

Regarding ploppies here they always seem to stand too much on 15 and 16 v dealer highs.They also seem to dissect every hand after the dealer has played,such as "oh if i stood on the 14 and then you hit the 15 then the dealer would have bust",they also seem to have little competitions to see who figures out how the dealer would have bust "Ah yes William is right, if Mildred hadnt doubled and if I split the dealer would have bust,good chap John."
I am going to try a lot of this when i start playing to blend in,although this even seems a lot more complicated than a level 4 count!

Are ploppies in the US as anal as this?
 
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learning to count

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THANK GOD FOR PLOPPIES

I love it when they come in with 500 or more buy ins. They start betting drinking and being obnoxious. I had one tell me last trip theat his friend sitting across at first base was an expert in black jack and he read all the books. This was out loud that even survelliance heard it and they have no microphones. Well they both dumped at least a grand in red and green chips in about twenty minutes between them. ALL the while when they won a hand they would yell and cheer like banshees. The PC told them no problem with the cheers but not in his (me) ear. When they were ready to leave. I could not resist asking where I could buy the book.

Ploppies are great for cover. I had two oriental ploppies walk up pull out what looked like several thousand in rolled up hundreds and buy in for eight hundred a each. They bet like banshees yacking loud in chinese each time they won or lost. Great cover for me. When they bet BIG I bet large. They lost I won. I went unnoticed they were offered free buffets. Gotta love them ploppies!
 
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PaddyBoy

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Re: I was thinking Ireland

close i am Irish but live in England.The Irish are called "Paddies" here.
Are we still called "Micks" in the states?
 
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