dumbest question ever

#1
I just got back from my second trip to the casino, first playing basic strategy. For 8D, LS, DOA, S17 what do you do with 8,8 vs 10. this happened a few times, i split, but should I have surrendered?
 
#2
ummm..the book I have says if double down is allowed after splitting then you should always split. If double down is not allowed, then only split a 8,8 v 10 when TC is < +5 . How'd you do at the casino by the way?
 
#3
yeah I am confused on this one, what is the "order of operations" so to speak...does the pair splitting chart that tells you to always split 8's have more precedence over the hard count chart that says surrender 16 vs 10.

-darksun
 
#4
Yes. You really don't have 16, you have two 8s. Split them.

Of course, the difference in EV between splitting them, or playing them as 16 and surrendering, is so small that over your lifetime you will earn enough to buy a Big Mac w/fries on making the 'correct' play.
 
#5
Great question actually. You always split them. If you hit them as sixteen you will lose more than splitting them. Also the theory that goes with the stats on this one says you take a breaking a hand of sixteen and create more chances of creating a strong hand pat hands or a chance to double on ten or eleven if you get a two or three. So split em like a log! The ability to splt eights into a better hand also out weighs surrendering them as a sixteen. Split Split split!
 
#6
Split those eights.

This is one of those questions that arise only when I'm playing or dreaming about playing, and make me feel stupid for not instinctively knowing the answer.
Usually I don't think of 8-8 as being 16, anyway, so surrender would not creep into my brain.

If I split the eights, I avoid the 16 situation entirely, so surrender isn't an issue. The hand really isn't a 16 at all.

It's better to avoid thinking of pairs as hard hands. 8-8 differs completely from hard 16 -- it's another sort of animal.

These kinds of questions are welcome here, in my opinion.
 
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