Electronic Blackjack

[MetaEdge]

I just went to a casino here in town. All they have is electronic blackjack but I thought I'd give it a shot, see what the rules were and what not.

I don't have nearly enough experience to actually think I would be able to play a +EV game, let alone one from an electronic blackjack. So I assumed I would probably lose the hundred I went in with.

From what I've learned so far I'm guessing the rules were very very bad. 6 decks 2/3 pen, H17, double any two cards, surrender (late I assume). It didn't say double after split so I'll assume thats a no?

I wasn't sure how the shuffling worked on the electronic machine but they had a dealer change on the screen after awhile so my guess was that that was the marking spot for it.

Because it's electronic I could probably get away with wonging in and out very aggressively, and betting as big a spread as my bankroll can allow. Is this a fair assumption? Even on the off chance I do get kicked it's not a big deal.

I suppose I could actually just play when the count is high enough to equal +EV, I really don't know whether there is any risk of heat or not from these things.

What are your thoughts? Is the dealer change marking the shuffle (felt like it we played more then 4 decks before a swap, I don't have much of a feel for this yet though). Assuming it is and I only play on high positive counts do you think I could beat it? Odds are the shuffle is hidden so that would make things pretty tough, is there anyway around it if it is?

The rules suck and the pen is terrible so my guess is that the only way I could win is by only playing positive counts, and then it would be smart to play table min ($2) because my bank roll is way too small.

The table limits were $2-$200 btw, maybe that helps a little if I can afford a max bet that high.

Anyways, whether my game today was -EV or +EV (probably -, I didn't play very well) I still walked about with $1 more then I came in with. Yeah for positive variance xD

 

[bigplayer]

I just went to a casino here in town. All they have is electronic blackjack but I thought I'd give it a shot, see what the rules were and what not.

I don't have nearly enough experience to actually think I would be able to play a +EV game, let alone one from an electronic blackjack. So I assumed I would probably lose the hundred I went in with.

From what I've learned so far I'm guessing the rules were very very bad. 6 decks 2/3 pen, H17, double any two cards, surrender (late I assume). It didn't say double after split so I'll assume thats a no?

I wasn't sure how the shuffling worked on the electronic machine but they had a dealer change on the screen after awhile so my guess was that that was the marking spot for it.

Because it's electronic I could probably get away with wonging in and out very aggressively, and betting as big a spread as my bankroll can allow. Is this a fair assumption? Even on the off chance I do get kicked it's not a big deal.

I suppose I could actually just play when the count is high enough to equal +EV, I really don't know whether there is any risk of heat or not from these things.

What are your thoughts? Is the dealer change marking the shuffle (felt like it we played more then 4 decks before a swap, I don't have much of a feel for this yet though). Assuming it is and I only play on high positive counts do you think I could beat it? Odds are the shuffle is hidden so that would make things pretty tough, is there anyway around it if it is?

The rules suck and the pen is terrible so my guess is that the only way I could win is by only playing positive counts, and then it would be smart to play table min ($2) because my bank roll is way too small.

The table limits were $2-$200 btw, maybe that helps a little if I can afford a max bet that high.

Anyways, whether my game today was -EV or +EV (probably -, I didn't play very well) I still walked about with $1 more then I came in with. Yeah for positive variance xD

the changing dealer has nothing to do with the shuffle. The actual shuffle point is completely hidden (intentionally by the manufacturer) to make the game more difficult to beat. There is no obvious way to determine when a shuffle at that game occurs. Beyond this I'll say no more.

 

[shadroch]

the changing dealer has nothing to do with the shuffle. The actual shuffle point is completely hidden (intentionally by the manufacturer) to make the game more difficult to beat. There is no obvious way to determine when a shuffle at that game occurs. Beyond this I'll say no more.

That is not always the case. Casino can set the shuffle point, and one poption seems to be the dealer switch. Most casinos have the shuffle point hidden, but its not always.

 

[MangoJ]

With statistical attack you can catch the shuffle point, if you know in which frequency the shuffle happens. Record autocorrelation function of cards drawn, and if you are on the right phase with the shuffle algorithm, you will see it.

Needs a million of hands, of course ^^

 

[MetaEdge]

I think I'll go there one more time and count the cards as they are dealt. That will allow me to confirm whether its the dealer that marks the shuffle or maybe something else. Or if it's hidden.

I suppose if I hit the place right when it opens Ill catch the first hand, then I just need a partner to keep track of the cards.

Or I can just the 2 hours to the next store and play a real game xD

 

[MangoJ]

Unless you get 100% penetration, counting will not help you.

What you could do is: get a list of all 52 cards, and count all those cards when they are dealt. If you catch a card that is dealt 9 times (on a 8 deck shoe), you then know that the shuffle is at a different time.

 

[MetaEdge]

If I can't tell where the shuffle is the only way would be to have a second person count the amount of cards and signal whenever there is a shuffle (would have to be there right when the game booted up in the morning (if that would even work)) or just give up and find a much better game.

I'm less inclined to do that latter because the only store with an actual table is a two hour drive. But if would still be worth it if it had good enough rules.